History AlternativeCharacterInterpretation / VideoGames

12th Aug '16 12:39:51 AM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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** The second probably comes from the ExpandedUniverse with the [=SPARTAN-IIs=]' rather unfortunate conscription - the concept of John-117 being trained from a child wasn't explicitly stated in the games (apart from the [[http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Final_Grunt "Final Grunt"]] EasterEgg) until ''VideoGame/{{Halo 4}}''. Also, he was trained in the first place to surpress rebels who really did have some legitimate grievances against the UNSC. He could almost be considered a villain, and certainly is from the Covenant's perspective. He's slaughtered thousands of them, many of which were slaves forced to fight against their will, with the Unggoy (Grunts) in particular often running from you in fear and screaming for mercy (those who don't try to suicide-bomb you instead, anyways).

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** The second probably comes from the ExpandedUniverse with the [=SPARTAN-IIs=]' [=Spartan-IIs=]' rather unfortunate conscription - the concept of John-117 being trained from a child wasn't explicitly stated in the games (apart from the [[http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Final_Grunt "Final Grunt"]] EasterEgg) until ''VideoGame/{{Halo 4}}''. Also, he was trained in the first place to surpress rebels who really did have some legitimate grievances against the UNSC. He could almost be considered a villain, and certainly is from the Covenant's perspective. He's slaughtered thousands of them, many of which were slaves forced to fight against their will, with the Unggoy (Grunts) in particular often running from you in fear and screaming for mercy (those who don't try to suicide-bomb you instead, anyways).
6th Aug '16 8:42:25 AM TheSinful
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** Tychus Findley: Amoral bastard only looking out for himself or conflicted friend willing to commit SuicideByCop?
26th Jul '16 12:49:05 PM Prometheus117
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** Illidan: A WellIntentionedExtremist who was a slave to his addiction but never wanted to harm anyone or a greedy SOB who was up to no good?
*** A little of both. He's clearly addicted to power and is extremely ruthless, but isn't completely heartless. He did sincerely love Tyrande, and he didn't get into any of the "force her to love me" routine. For the most part, however, his motives to appear to selfish.

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** Illidan: A Was he a hero who was willing to go to extreme lengths to save his friends, family, and the world? Was he an AntiHero who still ultimately did the right thing? Was he a WellIntentionedExtremist who didn't realize his own evil? Or was he just a slave power-mad loner who did a couple of good deeds to justify it to himself? Notable in that the writing of the games have slowly slid from the first to the last in the way it portrays both his addiction but never wanted to harm anyone or a greedy SOB who was up to no good?
current and past actions over time.
*** A little of both. He's clearly addicted to power and is extremely ruthless, but isn't completely heartless. He did sincerely love Tyrande, and he didn't get into any of the "force her to love me" routine. For the most part, however, his motives to appear to selfish. ''Legion'' and its supplementary material, in particular, posit that all of these interpretations are valid to some extent, and InUniverse various other characters lean in one direction or another over him (the split between Kayn and Altruis being the most obvious).
15th Jul '16 2:36:19 PM X2X
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** What Diz says is true, when talking about ''normal Nobodies.'' The problem is that he applies the same ideas to Roxas, who can and does feel emotions, (probably something to do with [[spoiler:Ventus]]) and Namine, who he ''admits'' in the Secret Ansem Reports is almost nothing like a Nobody to begin with.

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** What Diz says is true, when talking about ''normal Nobodies.'' Nobodies''. The problem is that he applies the same ideas to Roxas, who can and does feel emotions, (probably emotions (which probably has something to do with [[spoiler:Ventus]]) [[spoiler:Ventus]]), and Namine, Naminé, who he ''admits'' in the Secret Ansem Reports is almost nothing like a Nobody to begin with.



** Others decide to interpret other characters. Such as how Sora is often portrayed as [[IdiotHero being a blithering idiot]] or how Kairi and Namine are [[DieForOurShip portrayed as being evil.]] And Riku is a full-on [[TheWoobie woobie]] who certainly didn't ''mean'' to KickTheDog throughout the first game.

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** Others decide to interpret other characters. Such as how Sora is often portrayed as [[IdiotHero being a blithering idiot]] or how Kairi and Namine Naminé are [[DieForOurShip portrayed as being evil.]] evil]]. And Riku is a full-on [[TheWoobie woobie]] who certainly didn't ''mean'' to KickTheDog throughout the first game.game.
*** Also, because Naminé is often seen drawing, there's a good number of {{Yaoi Fangirl}}s who think that she's... well, a YaoiFangirl.



*** Also, because Namine is often seen drawing, there's a good number of {{Yaoi Fangirl}}s who think that she's... well, a YaoiFangirl.
** Due to graphical limitations and some ambiguous dialogue, Axel can be seen as an AxCrazy psycho in the original ''[[VideoGame/KingdomHeartsChainOfMemories Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories]]''. Not so much in the remake or sequels (he was certainly a cold-blooded killer in ''Chain of Memories'', but the 3D version shows that it's clearly not of the psychotic variety) but the damage has been done.

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*** Also, because Namine is often seen drawing, there's a good number of {{Yaoi Fangirl}}s who think that she's... well, a YaoiFangirl.
** Due to graphical limitations and some ambiguous dialogue, Axel can be seen as an AxCrazy psycho in the original ''[[VideoGame/KingdomHeartsChainOfMemories Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories]]''. Not so much in the remake or sequels (he was certainly a cold-blooded killer in ''Chain of Memories'', ''[=CoM=]'', but the 3D version shows that it's clearly not of the psychotic variety) but the damage has been done.



** By the end of ''358/2 Days'', it's all made less confusing and pretty clear that none of the members, except perhaps Xion, Roxas, and (after he's sincerely befriended the two of them) Axel, can feel anything and are more than happy to murder or manipulate the fellow members of the Organization to further their own goals. This is exemplified by Xemnas himself who [[spoiler:orders Xion and Roxas to fight to the death. He may have tried to arrange this before, too. In the end, Roxas defeats Xion and absorbs her, ending her existence entirely.]]
*** [[spoiler:When Xion fights Roxas, she is not only attacking him but taunting him despite that they're friends. It's actually highly possible to see this as a ThanatosGambit since Roxas still benefits from her supposed death. They're so close to each other that Xion's willing to sacrifice herself so Roxas can go on living and benefit...which some people ''will'' do.]]

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** By the end of ''358/2 Days'', it's all made less confusing and pretty clear that none of the members, except perhaps Xion, Roxas, and (after he's sincerely befriended the two of them) Axel, can feel anything and are more than happy to murder or manipulate the fellow members of the Organization to further their own goals. This is exemplified by Xemnas himself who [[spoiler:orders Xion and Roxas to fight to the death. He may have tried to arrange this before, too. In the end, Roxas defeats Xion and absorbs her, ending her existence entirely.]]
entirely]].
*** [[spoiler:When Xion fights Roxas, she is not only attacking him but taunting him despite that they're friends. It's actually highly possible to see this as a ThanatosGambit since Roxas still benefits from her supposed death. They're so close to each other that Xion's willing to sacrifice herself so Roxas can go on living and benefit... which some people ''will'' do.]]
15th Jul '16 2:31:03 PM X2X
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* ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedII''[==]'s Shaun Hastings: JerkAss or SurvivorGuilt?
** Another theory is "half-baked Simon Cowell knockoff". Seems to be the thing these days. Really, is there any other reason for being so rude to someone who ''saved his life''? Even gets a bit of a lampshade in the Carnival Performers file.

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* ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedII''[==]'s Shaun Hastings: JerkAss {{Jerkass}} or SurvivorGuilt?
** Another theory is "half-baked Simon Cowell knockoff". knockoff." Seems to be the thing these days. Really, is there any other reason for being so rude to someone who ''saved his life''? Even gets a bit of a lampshade in the Carnival Performers file.



* [[LetsPlay AmbisagrusSA]] posted [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7fzhtMZNJs this video]] as an AprilFoolsDay joke. Nevertheless, it's an interesting AlternateEnding to the ''BitTrip'' series, with [[TheHero CommanderVideo]] being a vain, ignorant fool with many clever allegories hidden in his life.

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* Andrew Ryan from ''VideoGame/BioShock'' has numerous different interpretations, not surprising given his politically charged nature. Its easy to view him as a tragic figure who tried to make a city that championed free will above all else and had to become the evil that he sought to destroy in order to keep the government from his city. He could have also just been trying to create a city where he, and he alone, was allowed to reach his full potential and enjoy unmitigated freedom. From a more objective (hehe) standpoint it seems to be a little of both. While its extremely unlikely that he founded rapture just so he could be its tyrant (after all everything in the city talks about the evils of tyrants and government), he didn't act entirely selflessly and fairly either. How much of his actions are done for the sake of ideology and how much is done for himself alone is still very much up for debate.
* [[LetsPlay AmbisagrusSA]] posted [[http://www.[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7fzhtMZNJs this video]] as an AprilFoolsDay joke. Nevertheless, it's an interesting AlternateEnding to the ''BitTrip'' ''VideoGame/BitTrip'' series, with [[TheHero CommanderVideo]] being a vain, ignorant fool with many clever allegories hidden in his life.



-->"Belmont’s Revenge, in my opinion, refers to Soleiyu's revenge against his father, against his bloodline, and against his hated destiny. Given that it causes the resurrection of Dracula and sends his father out on another death-defying adventure to stop the world's ultimate evil, that's a pretty good teenage angst scheme. There's all sorts of metaphors for growing up and accepting your situation in the world here, if you look hard enough." (''{{beat}}'') [[LampshadeHanging "Or maybe I'm just looking harder than the developers did."]]

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-->"Belmont’s -->"Belmont's Revenge, in my opinion, refers to Soleiyu's revenge against his father, against his bloodline, and against his hated destiny. Given that it causes the resurrection of Dracula and sends his father out on another death-defying adventure to stop the world's ultimate evil, that's a pretty good teenage angst scheme. There's all sorts of metaphors for growing up and accepting your situation in the world here, if you look hard enough." (''{{beat}}'') [[LampshadeHanging "Or maybe I'm just looking harder than the developers did."]]



* Vergil from ''VideoGame/DevilMayCry'' is ostensibly a power-hungry villain, but some fans believe this hunger developed from being too weak to save his (and Dante's) mother from demons when they were younger. His bio in ''[[VideoGame/MarvelVsCapcom3 Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3]]'' seems to support this view.

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* Vergil from ''VideoGame/DevilMayCry'' ''Franchise/DevilMayCry'' is ostensibly a power-hungry villain, but some fans believe this hunger developed from being too weak to save his (and Dante's) mother from demons when they were younger. His bio in ''[[VideoGame/MarvelVsCapcom3 Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3]]'' seems to support this view.[[FailureKnight this]] [[NeverBeHurtAgain view]].



** Dante's final line (complete with a CheshireCatGrin) in ''[=DMC3=]'' right before he and Lady team up to kick demon ass ("Well bring it on! I love this! This is what I live for! I'm absolutely ''crazy'' about it!") makes him come across as a bit of a BloodKnight when it comes to demon hunting. However, when you consider all of the crap he had to deal with in no more than the span of a day or two (never mind Dante [[spoiler:mourning Vergil's "death"]] not too long before that moment), it wouldn't be out of the question to interpret this as a physically and emotionally exhausted guy ''forcing'' himself to enjoy this fight. It's not even completely incongruent with Dante's LetsGetDangerous moments across the board or his spiel to Trish in the first game that he's in the business with the hopes of eventually [[YouKilledMyFather hitting the jackpot and avenging his family]].
** Dante in ''2''. With the game's placement at the farthest end of the timeline so that Capcom can continue to conveniently forget the black sheep of the series, ''something'' had to have happened to our favorite devil hunter between games to explain the glaring dichotomy [[TheStoic his personality]] presents when juxtaposed against ''every other'' depiction of the character. Perhaps Dante finally mellowed out over the years, but some fans even go as far as to offer up [[KillEmAll theories of a]] [[SoleSurvivor more cataclysmic nature]].

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** Dante's final line (complete with a CheshireCatGrin) in ''[=DMC3=]'' right before he and Lady team up to kick demon ass ("Well bring it on! I love this! This is what I live for! I'm absolutely ''crazy'' about it!") makes him come across as look like a bit of a BloodKnight when it comes to demon hunting. However, when you consider all of the crap he had to deal with in no more than the span of a day or two (never mind Dante [[spoiler:mourning Vergil's "death"]] not too long before that moment), it wouldn't be out of the question to interpret this as a physically and emotionally exhausted guy ''forcing'' himself to enjoy this fight. It's not even completely incongruent with Dante's LetsGetDangerous moments across the board or his spiel to Trish in the first game that he's in the business with the hopes of eventually [[YouKilledMyFather hitting the jackpot and avenging his family]].
** Dante in ''2''. With the game's placement at the farthest end of the timeline so that Capcom can continue to conveniently forget the black sheep of the series, ''something'' had to have happened to our favorite devil hunter between games to explain the glaring dichotomy [[TheStoic his personality]] presents when juxtaposed against ''every other'' depiction of the character. Perhaps Dante finally mellowed out over the years, but some fans even go as far as to [[SurvivorGuilt offer up up]] [[KillEmAll theories of a]] [[SoleSurvivor more cataclysmic nature]].



* Andrew Ryan from ''VideoGame/BioShock'' has numerous different interpretations, not surprising given his politically charged nature. Its easy to view him as a tragic figure who tried to make a city that championed free will above all else and had to become the evil that he sought to destroy in order to keep the government from his city. He could have also just been trying to create a city where he, and he alone, was allowed to reach his full potential and enjoy unmitigated freedom. From a more objective (hehe) standpoint it seems to be a little of both. While its extremely unlikely that he founded rapture just so he could be its tyrant (after all everything in the city talks about the evils of tyrants and government), he didn't act entirely selflessly and fairly either. How much of his actions are done for the sake of ideology and how much is done for himself alone is still very much up for debate.



** Mention must be made of the ''other'' ambiguously sympathetic Xehanort incarnation: [[spoiler:Young Xehanort]], who plays the role of TheHeavy throughout ''Dream Drop Distance''. Is he every bit as wicked as the rest of the gang or was he coerced into [[spoiler:jumping through time to help his future selves and [[TheFatalist is now resigned to that duty]] [[BecauseDestinySaysSo because the rule of time travel states you cannot change events already meant to transpire]]]]? The fact that [[spoiler:Xehanort is responsible for his own StartOfDarkness]] is bad enough, but things get really eye-crossing when [[spoiler:Young Xehanort even admits he doesn't fully know what will come next; all he can be assured of is that the memories in his heart of his time travel experience [[StableTimeLoop will spur him on to enact the events in the future he'll lose knowledge of upon returning to his era]]]]. It wouldn't be far-fetched to write him off as a victim of circumstance as opposed to an actual villain. Furthermore, he's [[PunchClockVillain rather impersonal in his efforts against the heroes]] (abnormal when you consider that the various other Xehanorts are not above [[KickTheDog kicking puppies with glee and reckless abandon]]), he's the only one of the bunch who [[spoiler:is ''not'' corrupted by darkness]], and [[spoiler:the fight with him at the end of the game, as per WordOfGod, was due to a VillainOverride by the elder Master Xehanort]]. Going past this, this is [[spoiler:Master Xehanort (who is painted in his backstory as more kindly and noble character who merely yearned to explore other worlds--[[ShadowArchetype much like Riku]]--and [[WellIntentionedExtremist had understandable albeit morally gray motives]]) ''before'' he [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope careened into villainy at breakneck speeds]]]]. [[AmbiguouslyEvil The question of how emotionally vested he is in his group's master plan and how evil he is truly up in the air.]] Case in point: [[Creator/BenDiskin his voice actor]] [[http://www.khinsider.com/news/Exclusive-KHInsider-Interviews-Ben-Diskin-3022 was deliberately told when recording to not make the character sound outright villainous.]]

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** Mention must be made of the ''other'' ambiguously sympathetic Xehanort incarnation: [[spoiler:Young Xehanort]], who plays the role of TheHeavy throughout ''Dream Drop Distance''. Is he every bit as wicked as the rest of the gang or was he coerced into [[spoiler:jumping through time to help his future selves and [[TheFatalist is now resigned to that duty]] [[BecauseDestinySaysSo because the rule of time travel states you cannot change events already meant to transpire]]]]? The fact that [[spoiler:Xehanort is responsible for his own StartOfDarkness]] is bad enough, but things get really eye-crossing when [[spoiler:Young Xehanort even admits he doesn't fully know what will come next; all he can be assured of is that the memories in his heart of his time travel experience [[StableTimeLoop will spur him on to enact the events in the future he'll lose knowledge of upon returning to his era]]]]. It wouldn't be far-fetched to write him off as a victim of circumstance as opposed to an actual villain. Furthermore, he's [[PunchClockVillain rather impersonal in his efforts against the heroes]] (abnormal when you consider that the various other Xehanorts are not above [[KickTheDog kicking puppies with glee and reckless abandon]]), he's the only one of the bunch who [[spoiler:is ''not'' corrupted by darkness]], and [[spoiler:the fight with him at the end of the game, as per WordOfGod, was due to a VillainOverride by the elder Master Xehanort]]. Going past this, this is [[spoiler:Master Xehanort (who is painted in his backstory as more kindly and noble character who merely yearned to explore other worlds--[[ShadowArchetype much like Riku]]--and [[WellIntentionedExtremist had understandable albeit morally gray motives]]) ''before'' he [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope he careened into villainy at breakneck speeds]]]]. [[AmbiguouslyEvil The question of how emotionally vested he is in his group's master plan and how evil he is truly up in the air.]] Case in point: [[Creator/BenDiskin his voice actor]] [[http://www.khinsider.com/news/Exclusive-KHInsider-Interviews-Ben-Diskin-3022 was deliberately told when recording to not make the character sound outright villainous.]]
17th Jun '16 2:01:59 AM ACW
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*** The Nova 'Covert Ops' mini-campaign seems to simultaneously clear up the matter and also add fuel to its fire; thanks to periodic memory wipes, Nova isn't even entirely sure what she's been up to herself. She ''seems'' to be loyal to the Dominion.... but only the Dominion itself, and not any particular set of ideals; she serves the idealistic Valerian Mengsk just as faithfully as she once served his CompleteMonster father.

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*** The Nova 'Covert Ops' mini-campaign seems to simultaneously clear up the matter and also add fuel to its fire; thanks to periodic memory wipes, Nova isn't even entirely sure what she's been up to herself. She ''seems'' to be loyal to the Dominion.... but only the Dominion itself, and not any particular set of ideals; she serves the idealistic Valerian Mengsk just as faithfully as she once served his CompleteMonster evil father.
14th Jun '16 1:11:45 PM Tinandel_1
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*** The Nova 'Covert Ops' mini-campaign seems to simultaneously clear up the matter and also add fuel to its fire; thanks to periodic memory wipes, Nova isn't even entirely sure what she's been up to herself. She ''seems'' to be loyal to the Dominion.... but only the Dominion itself, and not any particular set of ideals; she serves the idealistic Arcturus Mengsk just as faithfully as she once served his CompleteMonster father.

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*** The Nova 'Covert Ops' mini-campaign seems to simultaneously clear up the matter and also add fuel to its fire; thanks to periodic memory wipes, Nova isn't even entirely sure what she's been up to herself. She ''seems'' to be loyal to the Dominion.... but only the Dominion itself, and not any particular set of ideals; she serves the idealistic Arcturus Valerian Mengsk just as faithfully as she once served his CompleteMonster father.
14th Jun '16 12:13:24 PM Tinandel_1
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*** The Nova 'Covert Ops' mini-campaign seems to simultaneously clear up the matter and also add fuel to its fire; thanks to periodic memory wipes, Nova isn't even entirely sure what she's been up to herself. She ''seems'' to be loyal to the Dominion.... but only the Dominion itself, and not any particular set of ideals; she serves the idealistic Arcturus Mengsk just as faithfully as she once served his CompleteMonster father.
31st May '16 2:39:16 AM Doug86
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* ''VideoGame/CliveBarkersUndying'': Due to the fairly confusing ending and inconsistencies with [[spoiler: the game's manual]], there is some dispute over the motivation of [[spoiler: Jeremiah.]] TheReveal involves [[spoiler: Jeremiah stating that he has been DeadAllAlong and EvilAllAlong and that he used Patrick to kill off his siblings so that he could use the power of the Undying King for himself.]] However, the [[spoiler: journal entries written by him in the manual after his "death" in WorldWarOne are written as though his "cover story" was true]] meaning that there are two general explanations: [[spoiler: Jeremiah was telling the truth in TheReveal and the journal entries were misinformation- which leads to some FridgeLogic-]] or [[spoiler: Jeremiah chose to lie to some degree during TheReveal and was trying to goad Patrick into killing him for an unknown reason.]]

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* ''VideoGame/CliveBarkersUndying'': Due to the fairly confusing ending and inconsistencies with [[spoiler: the game's manual]], there is some dispute over the motivation of [[spoiler: Jeremiah.]] TheReveal involves [[spoiler: Jeremiah stating that he has been DeadAllAlong and EvilAllAlong and that he used Patrick to kill off his siblings so that he could use the power of the Undying King for himself.]] However, the [[spoiler: journal entries written by him in the manual after his "death" in WorldWarOne UsefulNotes/WorldWarI are written as though his "cover story" was true]] meaning that there are two general explanations: [[spoiler: Jeremiah was telling the truth in TheReveal and the journal entries were misinformation- which leads to some FridgeLogic-]] or [[spoiler: Jeremiah chose to lie to some degree during TheReveal and was trying to goad Patrick into killing him for an unknown reason.]]
23rd May '16 11:43:40 AM AlienPatch
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* ''VideoGame/{{Undertale}}]]:

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