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1st Jun '18 1:48:56 PM PiDa
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* Does [[spoiler:Big Boss]] actually apologize to Snake and hug him at the end of ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid4GunsOfThePatriots'', or is the entire sequence Snake's hallucination before he kills himself? Or even Snake's personal heaven, where his daddy always loved him and everything turns out okay? People remark the ending of ''[=MGS4=]'' feels out of place, is that why? Actually, is Snake in ''[=MGS4=]'' even Solid Snake at all, or Raiden in the same MindScrew that he ended ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid2SonsOfLiberty'' in? The fact that static is used to represent damage and the game over screen reads "Mission Failed" (which is used throughout the series to indicate failing a ''VR'' mission; failing actual gameplay gets "Game Over"), as well as the more outlandish plot elements, characterisation decisions and Raiden as an NPC supports this interpretation.

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* Does ''Franchise/MetalGear'':
** Frank Jaeger's ExpansionPackPast storyline and FaceHeelRevolvingDoor personality (not to mention, his character being one of the few to make appearances across every single major {{Retool}} and BroadStrokes application in the storyline) naturally lends itself to this. His main moral appears to be his loyalty to Big Boss, but he also offered Snake advice to help him stop Big Boss, and his reasons for doing this are unclear - clearly his loyalty to Big Boss isn't totally perfect, but whether it's affection for Snake, guilt over his past actions or a disagreement with Big Boss's ideals is never explained. It's also not clear what is going on in ''Metal Gear'', where he is taken prisoner by Big Boss, yet still later defects to follow him into Zanzibar - especially with the revelation in ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolidVThePhantomPain'' that the Big Boss of Outer Heaven was a double. Did Fox realise the double wasn't the real him, and, if so, when?
** Liquid Snake's stated motivation is hatred of his brother for killing Big Boss, and a desire to save the Genome Soldiers, who he considers his family. However, his actual means of carrying out the plan seems to involve allowing his brother to murder each last one of his coworkers, some of whom (Ocelot and Psycho Mantis) he had exceptionally close, if not healthy, relationships with, as well as slaughtering any number of his "brothers" in the Genome forces. Not only that, but he spends most of the game offering Snake helpful information, up to and including getting angry on Snake's behalf when villains treat him unreasonably, and giving him friendly philosophical advice based on his own personal experience. It's not difficult to surmise that Liquid, who overidentifies with the genes that he shares with his brother, might actually be feeling some confused feelings of filial love for him, but transferred his all-consuming hatred of Big Boss onto his brother on account of the hatred having nowhere else to go. His sacrifice of his brothers and sisters to his brother's gun may have been an attempt to psych himself into sincerely hating Snake, or even as a ''really'' confused attempt at suicide, by having Snake mow down those who share his genes and ideals as a proxy for himself. Similarly, Snake considers Liquid a nemesis but never appears to hate him, and in ''Metal Gear Solid 2'' he has a huge grin on his face when he realises his brother is still 'alive'.
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[[spoiler:Big Boss]] actually apologize to Snake and hug him at the end of ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid4GunsOfThePatriots'', or is the entire sequence Snake's hallucination before he kills himself? Or even Snake's personal heaven, where his daddy always loved him and everything turns out okay? People remark the ending of ''[=MGS4=]'' feels out of place, is that why? Actually, is Snake in ''[=MGS4=]'' even Solid Snake at all, or Raiden in the same MindScrew that he ended ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid2SonsOfLiberty'' in? The fact that static is used to represent damage and the game over screen reads "Mission Failed" (which is used throughout the series to indicate failing a ''VR'' mission; failing actual gameplay gets "Game Over"), as well as the more outlandish plot elements, characterisation decisions and Raiden as an NPC supports this interpretation.
31st May '18 8:27:46 AM X2X
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* Handsome Jack, the BigBad of ''VideoGame/{{Borderlands 2}}'', gets quite a bit of this. There's no question he's a villain, but there's debate on whether he's just a petty monster hiding under a thin veneer of civility or a WellIntentionedExtremist suffering from some really bad cases of MoralMyopia and EvilFeelsGood. ''VideoGame/{{Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel}}'' sheds more light on his character, revealing that [[spoiler: while he may have been a decent person at one point, Moxxi, Lilith, and Roland may have turned him into the monster he is in the second game. Plus, the knowledge he obtained from the Vault on Elpis may have destroyed his mind.]]
* In ''VideoGame/{{Bully}}'' fanon, the Greasers are often portrayed as nice guys - when in the game they're the misbehaving students (next to the actual bullies) like you see in every school. Gary is often portrayed as a JerkassWoobie and Jimmy Hopkins is... the title's sake, a {{Jerkass}} bully.

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* Handsome Jack, the BigBad of ''VideoGame/{{Borderlands 2}}'', gets quite a bit of this. There's no question he's a villain, but there's debate on whether he's just a petty monster hiding under a thin veneer of civility or a WellIntentionedExtremist suffering from some really bad cases of MoralMyopia and EvilFeelsGood. ''VideoGame/{{Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel}}'' ''VideoGame/BorderlandsThePreSequel'' sheds more light on his character, revealing that [[spoiler: while he may have been a decent person at one point, Moxxi, Lilith, and Roland may have turned him into the monster he is in the second game. Plus, the knowledge he obtained from the Vault on Elpis may have destroyed his mind.]]
* In ''VideoGame/{{Bully}}'' fanon, the Greasers are often portrayed as nice guys - -- when in the game they're the misbehaving students (next to the actual bullies) like you see in every school. Gary is often portrayed as a JerkassWoobie and Jimmy Hopkins is... the title's sake, a {{Jerkass}} bully.



** As with any good [=RPG=] protagonist, the [[PlayerCharacter Sole Survivor]] falls into this. Aside from the "new" personalities that the player(s) is able to imprint upon them, there's their [[SuddenlyVoiced vocal responses]] to people - Is their somewhat understated voice acting, occasionally awkward facial animations, stilted and shortened sentences, and [[DeadpanSnarker near-constant bitter sarcasm]] just limitations of the game's technology and part of the game's writing, or representative of how (after the [[TraumaCongaLine nightmarish opening sequence]]) they're continually suffering through a {{Heroic BSOD}} combined with [=PTSD=]/survivor's guilt and are [[KnightInSourArmor trying to use sarcasm as a coping mechanism]]? Further complicating matters is the fact that the [[AllThereInTheManual canon backgrounds]] for the male and female Sole Survivors (respectively) are a retired combat veteran-turned-househusband that fought in the Battle of Anchorage (one of the most horrific conflicts during the Resource Wars) and a retired military lawyer-turned-housewife that recently gave birth. Both of those origns mean that it's more than possible for the male Sole Survivor to be suffering from shell-shock, and the female Sole Survivor is suffering from a form of post-partum depression.

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** As with any good [=RPG=] RPG protagonist, the [[PlayerCharacter Sole Survivor]] falls into this. Aside from the "new" personalities that the player(s) is able to imprint upon them, there's their [[SuddenlyVoiced vocal responses]] to people - Is their somewhat understated voice acting, occasionally awkward facial animations, stilted and shortened sentences, and [[DeadpanSnarker near-constant bitter sarcasm]] just limitations of the game's technology and part of the game's writing, or representative of how (after the [[TraumaCongaLine nightmarish opening sequence]]) they're continually suffering through a {{Heroic BSOD}} combined with [=PTSD=]/survivor's guilt and are [[KnightInSourArmor trying to use sarcasm as a coping mechanism]]? Further complicating matters is the fact that the [[AllThereInTheManual canon backgrounds]] for the male and female Sole Survivors (respectively) are a retired combat veteran-turned-househusband that fought in the Battle of Anchorage (one of the most horrific conflicts during the Resource Wars) and a retired military lawyer-turned-housewife that recently gave birth. Both of those origns mean that it's more than possible for the male Sole Survivor to be suffering from shell-shock, and the female Sole Survivor is suffering from a form of post-partum depression.



** Mention must be made of the ''other'' ambiguously sympathetic Xehanort incarnation: [[spoiler:Young Xehanort]], who plays the role of TheHeavy throughout ''Dream Drop Distance''. Is he every bit as wicked as the rest of the gang or was he coerced into [[spoiler:jumping through time to help his future selves and [[TheFatalist is now resigned to that duty]] [[BecauseDestinySaysSo because the rule of time travel states you cannot change events already meant to transpire]]]]? The fact that [[spoiler:Xehanort is responsible for his own StartOfDarkness]] is bad enough, but things get really eye-crossing when [[spoiler:Young Xehanort even admits he doesn't fully know what will come next; all he can be assured of is that the memories in his heart of his time travel experience [[StableTimeLoop will spur him on to enact the events in the future he'll lose knowledge of upon returning to his era]]]]. It wouldn't be far-fetched to write him off as a victim of circumstance as opposed to an actual villain. Furthermore, he's [[PunchClockVillain rather impersonal in his efforts against the heroes]] (abnormal when you consider that the various other Xehanorts are not above [[KickTheDog kicking puppies with glee and reckless abandon]]), he's the only one of the bunch who [[spoiler:is ''not'' corrupted by darkness]], and [[spoiler:the fight with him at the end of the game, as per WordOfGod, was due to a VillainOverride by the elder Master Xehanort]]. Going past this, this is [[spoiler:Master Xehanort (who is painted in his backstory as more kindly and noble character who merely yearned to explore other worlds--[[ShadowArchetype much like Riku]]--and [[WellIntentionedExtremist had understandable albeit morally gray motives]]) ''before'' [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope he careened into villainy at breakneck speeds]]]]. [[AmbiguouslyEvil The question of how emotionally vested he is in his group's master plan and how evil he is truly up in the air.]] Case in point: [[Creator/BenDiskin his voice actor]] [[http://www.khinsider.com/news/Exclusive-KHInsider-Interviews-Ben-Diskin-3022 was deliberately told when recording to not make the character sound outright villainous.]]

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** Mention must be made of the ''other'' ambiguously sympathetic Xehanort incarnation: [[spoiler:Young Xehanort]], who plays the role of TheHeavy throughout ''Dream Drop Distance''. Is he every bit as wicked as the rest of the gang or was he coerced into [[spoiler:jumping through time to help his future selves and [[TheFatalist is now resigned to that duty]] [[BecauseDestinySaysSo because the rule of time travel states you cannot change events already meant to transpire]]]]? The fact that [[spoiler:Xehanort is responsible for his own StartOfDarkness]] is bad enough, but things get really eye-crossing when [[spoiler:Young Xehanort even admits he doesn't fully know what will come next; all he can be assured of is that the memories in his heart of his time travel experience [[StableTimeLoop will spur him on to enact the events in the future he'll lose knowledge of upon returning to his era]]]]. It wouldn't be far-fetched to write him off as a victim of circumstance as opposed to an actual villain. Furthermore, he's [[PunchClockVillain rather impersonal in his efforts against the heroes]] (abnormal when you consider that the various other Xehanorts are not above [[KickTheDog kicking puppies with glee and reckless abandon]]), he's the only one of the bunch who [[spoiler:is ''not'' corrupted by darkness]], and [[spoiler:the fight with him at the end of the game, as per WordOfGod, was due to a VillainOverride by the elder Master Xehanort]]. Going past this, this is [[spoiler:Master Xehanort (who is painted in his backstory as more kindly and noble character who merely yearned to explore other worlds--[[ShadowArchetype much like Riku]]--and [[WellIntentionedExtremist had understandable albeit morally gray motives]]) ''before'' [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope he careened into villainy at breakneck speeds]]]]. [[AmbiguouslyEvil The question of how emotionally vested he is in his group's master plan and how evil he is truly up in the air.]] Case in point: [[Creator/BenDiskin his voice actor]] [[http://www.khinsider.com/news/Exclusive-KHInsider-Interviews-Ben-Diskin-3022 was deliberately told when recording to not make the character sound outright villainous.]]villainous]] and was even [[ActingInTheDark given his lines out of context]] so that his performance would be just as detached as [[ColdHam the actual character]].



* ''VideoGame/LegendOfMana'' has an InUniverse ACI for the entire world of Fa'Diel - The storyteller Pokiehl and the Sproutlings believe that Fa'Diel is AllJustADream. This, combined with the imagery in the opening cutscene suggests therefore that the events of the game are [[spoiler:the DyingDream of the Mana Tree as it goes up in flames]].

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* ''VideoGame/LegendOfMana'' has an InUniverse ACI for the entire world of Fa'Diel - The -- the storyteller Pokiehl and the Sproutlings believe that Fa'Diel is AllJustADream. This, combined with the imagery in the opening cutscene suggests therefore that the events of the game are [[spoiler:the DyingDream of the Mana Tree as it goes up in flames]].



** Is the spider truly malicious, or just a simpleminded animal looking for a meal - ''or'' preemptively attempting to eliminate the threat posed by the boy?

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** Is the spider truly malicious, or just a simpleminded animal looking for a meal - -- ''or'' preemptively attempting to eliminate the threat posed by the boy?
6th May '18 2:24:24 PM VisitorAlex
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* It's surprisingly easy to interpret the [[Franchise/GrandTheftAuto GTA protagonists]] as [[VigilanteMan Vigilantes]]. When you think about it, most of their victims are criminals, serial killers, gang-bangers, mobsters, drug traffickers, corrupt officials, or terrorists. For all their evil actions, they does far more damage to the criminal underworld than the police ever did.

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* It's surprisingly easy to interpret the [[Franchise/GrandTheftAuto [[VideoGame/GrandTheftAuto GTA protagonists]] as [[VigilanteMan Vigilantes]]. When you think about it, most of their victims are criminals, serial killers, gang-bangers, mobsters, drug traffickers, corrupt officials, or terrorists. For all their evil actions, they does far more damage to the criminal underworld than the police ever did.
6th May '18 2:15:19 PM VisitorAlex
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* Claude of ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoIII'' has this, due to his HeroicMime status. Is he motivated by revenge against Catalina? Against anyone who betrays him? Is he merely a PunchClockVillain who takes all these jobs for money? Power? [[BloodKnight Blood lust?]] Some combination of the above? On a smaller scale: Did Claude actually [[spoiler: shoot Maria]] or did he merely [[spoiler: fire into the air to shut her up?]]
** Tommy Vercetti from ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoViceCity'' -- is he a smart entrepreneur who managed to live out the American Dream, or a sociopathic thug who bought out the city and betrayed the men that he had sworn an oath to in the name of personal gain? or worse, he's a complete PsychoForHire? Some view Tommy Vercetti as a needlessly callous, cold-blooded maniac. He absolutely feels no remorse for killing Sonny Forelli, who is portrayed almost like a family figure for Tommy. He has a KickTheDog moment when he smugly accepts [[AllBikersAreHellsAngels Mitch Baker's]] challenge to go on a rampage across downtown, meaning the [[VideoGameCrueltyPotential shoot-outs the player embarks on outside of missions]] are completely [[GameplayAndStoryIntegration in-character]] for the guy.
*** Lance Vance -- a self-serving sociopath who betrayed Vercetti simply because he was a greedy bastard? Or, perhaps, his tragic life and drug use made him feel compelled to betray his colleague?
** CJ from ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoSanAndreas'' is a divisive character, due to his more {{anti hero}}ic attributes. Some view him as an ultimately good person who has to do bad things to help the people he loves. Others view him as just as much a monster as every other GTA protagonist.
*** Also from ''San Andreas'': Is Sweet Johnson a Jerkass who ran his brother out of town, blaming him for his little brother's death, disrespects said brother for trying to get his family out of the ghetto, and deserves everything he gets? Or is he a stand-up guy who cares deeply about his home, family and friends, and wants to get everything back to what it was in the good old days and ends up in a deep pile of crap he didn't deserve because of it?
** Toni Cipriani from ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoLibertyCityStories''. Is he a righteous man who delights only commit atrocities because just follow orders? Or he's a PsychoForHire? This theory is quite credible, because Toni is probably the protagonist who committed the greatest atrocities canonical, including killing a man with an ax and carrying his remains to a butcher shop, and this was done intentionally and not to follow an order, without mention several atrocities that go by Donald Love and Ned Burner's orders. While still repents of his sins in a confessional, he never sought redemption when he bombed the area of ​​Fort Staunton.

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* Claude of ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoIII'' has this, due It's surprisingly easy to his HeroicMime status. Is he motivated by revenge against Catalina? Against anyone who betrays him? Is he merely a PunchClockVillain who takes all these jobs for money? Power? [[BloodKnight Blood lust?]] Some combination of interpret the above? On a smaller scale: Did Claude actually [[spoiler: shoot Maria]] or did he merely [[spoiler: fire into the air to shut her up?]]
** Tommy Vercetti from ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoViceCity'' -- is he a smart entrepreneur who managed to live out the American Dream, or a sociopathic thug who bought out the city and betrayed the men that he had sworn an oath to in the name of personal gain? or worse, he's a complete PsychoForHire? Some view Tommy Vercetti as a needlessly callous, cold-blooded maniac. He absolutely feels no remorse for killing Sonny Forelli, who is portrayed almost like a family figure for Tommy. He has a KickTheDog moment when he smugly accepts [[AllBikersAreHellsAngels Mitch Baker's]] challenge to go on a rampage across downtown, meaning the [[VideoGameCrueltyPotential shoot-outs the player embarks on outside of missions]] are completely [[GameplayAndStoryIntegration in-character]] for the guy.
*** Lance Vance -- a self-serving sociopath who betrayed Vercetti simply because he was a greedy bastard? Or, perhaps, his tragic life and drug use made him feel compelled to betray his colleague?
** CJ from ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoSanAndreas'' is a divisive character, due to his more {{anti hero}}ic attributes. Some view him as an ultimately good person who has to do bad things to help the people he loves. Others view him as just as much a monster as every other
[[Franchise/GrandTheftAuto GTA protagonist.
*** Also from ''San Andreas'': Is Sweet Johnson a Jerkass who ran his brother out of town, blaming him for his little brother's death, disrespects said brother for trying to get his family out of the ghetto, and deserves everything he gets? Or is he a stand-up guy who cares deeply
protagonists]] as [[VigilanteMan Vigilantes]]. When you think about his home, family and friends, and wants it, most of their victims are criminals, serial killers, gang-bangers, mobsters, drug traffickers, corrupt officials, or terrorists. For all their evil actions, they does far more damage to get everything back to what it was in the good old days and ends up in a deep pile of crap he didn't deserve because of it?
** Toni Cipriani from ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoLibertyCityStories''. Is he a righteous man who delights only commit atrocities because just follow orders? Or he's a PsychoForHire? This theory is quite credible, because Toni is probably
criminal underworld than the protagonist who committed the greatest atrocities canonical, including killing a man with an ax and carrying his remains to a butcher shop, and this was done intentionally and not to follow an order, without mention several atrocities that go by Donald Love and Ned Burner's orders. While still repents of his sins in a confessional, he never sought redemption when he bombed the area of ​​Fort Staunton. police ever did.
20th Apr '18 9:37:00 AM KelpTheGreat
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* Handsome Jack, the BigBad of ''VideoGame/{{Borderlands 2}}'', gets quite a bit of this. There's no question he's a villain, but there's debate on whether he's just a petty monster hiding under a thin veneer of civility or a WellIntentionedExtremist suffering from some really bad cases of MoralMyopia and EvilFeelsGood.

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* Handsome Jack, the BigBad of ''VideoGame/{{Borderlands 2}}'', gets quite a bit of this. There's no question he's a villain, but there's debate on whether he's just a petty monster hiding under a thin veneer of civility or a WellIntentionedExtremist suffering from some really bad cases of MoralMyopia and EvilFeelsGood. ''VideoGame/{{Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel}}'' sheds more light on his character, revealing that [[spoiler: while he may have been a decent person at one point, Moxxi, Lilith, and Roland may have turned him into the monster he is in the second game. Plus, the knowledge he obtained from the Vault on Elpis may have destroyed his mind.]]
19th Apr '18 9:37:41 AM Pichu-kun
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31st Mar '18 1:05:56 PM nombretomado
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* ''FatalFrame 2's'' Mayu can be viewed several different ways. Is she a sweet, helpless girl who the main antagonist has taken particular interest in and who [[VideoGameCaringPotential you want to keep safe at all times]]? Is she an irritating little wimp who [[TheLoad you need to keep safe at all times]]? Or is she [[spoiler: an obsessively crazy young woman who deliberately fell off a cliff just to guilt Mio into staying with her forever?]]

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* ''FatalFrame 2's'' ''VideoGame/FatalFrameIICrimsonButterfly'':
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Mayu can be viewed several different ways. Is she a sweet, helpless girl who the main antagonist has taken particular interest in and who [[VideoGameCaringPotential you want to keep safe at all times]]? Is she an irritating little wimp who [[TheLoad you need to keep safe at all times]]? Or is she [[spoiler: an obsessively crazy young woman who deliberately fell off a cliff just to guilt Mio into staying with her forever?]]
18th Feb '18 8:55:28 AM KizunaTallis
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** Whether Sylens' cynical worldview is justified or not. He believes that humanity is a feeble thing and only through mutual gain and the chase of absolute truth do we better ourselves. While his actions helped [[spoiler:shed light on the misunderstandings the new generation has regarding the Old Ones, Sylens' history with HADES]] and Aloy's opinion of him seem to suggest that he isn't as benevolent as he thinks he is.

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** Whether Sylens' cynical worldview is justified or not. He believes that humanity is a feeble thing and only through mutual gain and the chase of absolute truth do we better ourselves. While his actions helped [[spoiler:shed light on the misunderstandings the new generation has regarding the Old Ones, Sylens' history with HADES]] HADES, what he did to the Banuk,]] and Aloy's opinion of him seem to suggest that he isn't as benevolent as he thinks he is.
6th Feb '18 1:39:34 PM VisitorAlex
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18th Jan '18 7:39:35 AM KizunaTallis
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** Did [[UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom Ted Faro]] truly believe he was [[WellIntentionedExtremist doing the best thing]] for [[spoiler:the reborn human race by erasing the Old Ones' knowledge from APOLLO in the belief that this knowledge was what [[AndManGrewProud laid the groundwork for humanity's self-destruction]]]], or was he a [[ItsAllAboutMe self-absorbed]] DirtyCoward looking for a convenient excuse to remove any chance of [[spoiler:being remembered as the person responsible for the RobotWar disaster that killed off all life on Earth]]? Was he suffering from a case of NeverMyFault and convinced himself that [[spoiler:it wasn't ''his'' fault these events happened but rather the knowledge/society that enabled him to do this]], or did he just completely [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone break down]] and [[SanitySlippage go crazy]] from the [[spoiler:[[ItsAllMyFault weight of the guilt]] he felt for being responsible for the mess that destroyed civilization and doomed the human race (in addition to losing his MoralityChain [[FriendToAllLivingThings Elisabet]])]]? [[TakeAThirdOption Or even a mixture of all of these?]]
** Whether Sylens' cynical worldview is truly good or not. He believes that [[spoiler:humanity is a feeble thing and only through mutual gain and the chase of absolute truth do we better ourselves. While his actions helped shed light on the misunderstandings the new generation has regarding the Old Ones, Sylens' history with HADES]] and Aloy's opinion of him seem to suggest that he isn't as benevolent as he thinks he is.

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** Did [[UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom Ted Faro]] truly believe he was [[WellIntentionedExtremist doing the best thing]] for [[spoiler:the reborn human race by erasing the Old Ones' knowledge from APOLLO in the belief that this knowledge was what [[AndManGrewProud laid the groundwork for humanity's self-destruction]]]], or was he a [[ItsAllAboutMe self-absorbed]] DirtyCoward looking for a convenient excuse to remove any chance of [[spoiler:being remembered as the person responsible for the RobotWar disaster that killed off all life on Earth]]? Was he suffering from a case of NeverMyFault and convinced himself that [[spoiler:it wasn't ''his'' fault these events happened but rather the knowledge/society that enabled him to do this]], or did he just completely [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone break down]] and [[SanitySlippage go crazy]] from the [[spoiler:[[ItsAllMyFault weight of the guilt]] he felt for being responsible for the mess that destroyed civilization and doomed the human race (in addition to losing his MoralityChain [[FriendToAllLivingThings Elisabet]])]]? race]]? [[TakeAThirdOption Or even a mixture of all of these?]]
*** To a lesser extent, Ted's relationship with Elisabet Sobeck can be subject to this. He clearly respected her and her intelligence enough to call her for help when crap began to hit the fan, she was essentially his MoralityChain in the days [[spoiler:Project Zero Dawn was being built up, and her death clearly exacerbated his SanitySlippage]]. Were they simply [[WeUsedtoBeFriends former friends and colleagues]] that had a falling out over opposing philosophies, or [[DryDockedShip was there a deeper relationship going on before things went south]]?
** Whether Sylens' cynical worldview is truly good justified or not. He believes that [[spoiler:humanity humanity is a feeble thing and only through mutual gain and the chase of absolute truth do we better ourselves. While his actions helped shed [[spoiler:shed light on the misunderstandings the new generation has regarding the Old Ones, Sylens' history with HADES]] and Aloy's opinion of him seem to suggest that he isn't as benevolent as he thinks he is.
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