History AlternativeCharacterInterpretation / MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic

4th Apr '16 12:00:53 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* Surprised Sunburst isn't here yet. As Starlight's old filly friend, she claims they did everything together... yet when he gets his cutie mark he immediately runs outside to celebrate with other people without so much as a second look back at his closest friend. It gets even worse in Season 6, when they reunite and he shows no remorse at ditching her, saying he should have 'stayed in touch'. However, he's never truly called out for his actions despite having a deep friendship with Starlight. This is especially jarring when compared to Amending Fences - Twilight was never truly friends with Moondancer or anyone in Canterlot and yet the episode partially calls her out for her early behaviour and she takes full responsibility for something that isn't really her fault. When finding out what Starlight did after being ditched, Sunburst doesn't apologise or assume any blame. He also barely seems to remember her when she first shows up at his door. While they do reconcile, he still doesn't seem like a great friend to have if the above points are considered.

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* Surprised Sunburst isn't here yet. As Starlight's was Starlight Glimmer's old filly friend, she claims they did everything together... yet when he gets his cutie mark he immediately runs outside to celebrate with other people without so much as a second look back at his supposed closest friend. It gets even worse He also made no attempt to stay in Season 6, touch with her, barely remembers her when they reunite reunite, and he shows no remorse at for ditching her, her save saying he should have 'stayed in touch'. However, he's never truly called out for his actions despite having a deep friendship with Starlight. This is especially jarring when compared to Amending Fences - Twilight was never truly friends with Moondancer or anyone in Canterlot and yet the episode partially calls her out for her early behaviour and she takes full responsibility for something that isn't really her fault. When finding out what Starlight did after being ditched, Sunburst doesn't apologise or assume any blame. He also barely seems to remember her when she first shows up at his door. While they do reconcile, it easy to question if he still doesn't seem like ever was that close or good a great friend to have if the above points are considered. [[InformedAttribute as Starlight calmed]]. If this make their falling out being Starlight's StartOfDarkness more or less sympathetic is its own ACI.
4th Apr '16 11:27:01 AM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** Her treatment of Pinkie has been interpreted as her trying her best to keep her anger in check (at least up until her MoralEventHorizon when she bullies Fluttershy) as she just doesn't want her meeting with her friend to be interrupted. Some people also find it understandable for her to blame Pinkie for Rainbow's pranks after Pinkie's earlier behavior and to leave town out of frustration when her only friend yells at her.

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** Her treatment of Pinkie has been interpreted as her trying her best to keep her anger in check (at least up until her MoralEventHorizon when she bullies Fluttershy) as she just doesn't want her meeting with her friend to be interrupted. Some people also find it understandable for her to blame Pinkie for Rainbow's pranks after Pinkie's earlier behavior and to leave town out of frustration when her only friend yells at her.
2nd Apr '16 6:35:06 PM Ciel12
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* Surprised Sunburst isn't here yet. As Starlight's old filly friend, she claims they did everything together... yet when he gets his cutie mark he immediately runs outside to celebrate with other people without so much as a second look back at his closest friend. It gets even worse in Season 6, when they reunite and he shows no remorse at ditching her, saying he should have 'stayed in touch'. However, he's never truly called out for his actions despite having a deep friendship with Starlight. This is especially jarring when compared to Amending Fences - Twilight was never truly friends with Moondancer or anyone in Canterlot and yet the episode partially calls her out for her early behaviour and she takes full responsibility for something that isn't really her fault. When finding out what Starlight did after being ditched, Sunburst doesn't apologise or assume any blame. He also barely seems to remember her when she first shows up at his door. While they do reconcile, he still doesn't seem like a great friend to have if the above points are considered.
2nd Apr '16 1:56:37 AM Boba_Fett88
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** Her treatment of Pinkie has been interpreted as her trying her best to keep her anger in check (at least up until her MoralEventHorizon when she bullies Fluttershy) as she just doesn't want her meeting with her friend to be interrupted. Some people also find it understandable for her to blame Pinkie for Rainbow's pranks after Pinkie's earlier behavior and to leave town out of frustration when her only friend yells at her.
27th Mar '16 12:19:21 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** It isn't even clear what Nightmare Moon WAS, given that once the Elements of Harmony were used on her, she reverted to Princess Luna, who is far more mild-mannered. Was she brainwashed by the elements, or was Nightmare Moon some sort of possessing force that Celestia herself could not extricate? [[ComicBook/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicIDW The IDW comics]] seem to indicate that Nightmare Moon was the result of an outside force, given that [[spoiler:they possess Rarity and make her their new Nightmare Queen.]] However, it's not clear if the show treats the comics as canon, though the episode "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS4E1PrincessTwilightSparklePart1 Princess Twilight Sparkle]]" involves a magically-induced flashback to the birth of Nightmare Moon, where Luna is seen to be enveloped in an orb of shadowy magic while in the middle of a rant against her sister. She doesn't appear to be the one causing said magic and is in fact ''thoroughly'' freaked out, so the "possessed by an outside force" explanation looks far more likely now, though it is sadly not followed up on.

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** It isn't even clear what Nightmare Moon WAS, given that once the Elements of Harmony were used on her, she reverted to Princess Luna, who is far more mild-mannered. Was she brainwashed by the elements, or was Nightmare Moon some sort of possessing force that Celestia herself could not extricate? [[ComicBook/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicIDW The IDW comics]] seem to indicate that Nightmare Moon was the result of an outside force, given that [[spoiler:they possess Rarity and make her their new Nightmare Queen.]] Queen]]. However, it's not clear if the show treats the comics as canon, though the episode "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS4E1PrincessTwilightSparklePart1 Princess Twilight Sparkle]]" involves a magically-induced flashback to the birth of Nightmare Moon, where Luna is seen to be enveloped in an orb of shadowy magic while in the middle of a rant against her sister. She doesn't appear to be the one causing said magic and is in fact ''thoroughly'' freaked out, so the "possessed by an outside force" explanation looks far more likely now, though it is sadly not followed up on.



** [[http://www.equestriadaily.com/2016/03/pony-spotlight-9-starlight-glimmer.html This Equestria Daily article]] argues that Starlight showed no intent to kidnap/brainwash the Mane Six to her way of thinking until they started to investigate her, perhaps originally planning to persuade them benevolently. Given Starlight was [[OffstageVillainy only explicitly shown to use evil/forceful methods on the Mane Six and associates]] that threatened her way of life ([[{{Revenge}} at first]]), and all but three of the townsfolk were content with the life she offered, it's possible she wasn't as ([[ObliviouslyEvil intentionally]]) evil as [[{{Cult}} her methods]] and FridgeHorror hinted to. This would explain why the town was [[EasilyForgiven was so quick to forgive her]].

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** [[http://www.equestriadaily.com/2016/03/pony-spotlight-9-starlight-glimmer.html This Equestria Daily article]] argues that Starlight showed no intent to kidnap/brainwash the Mane Six to her way of thinking until they started to investigate her, perhaps originally planning to persuade them benevolently. Given Starlight was [[OffstageVillainy only explicitly shown to use evil/forceful methods on the Mane Six and associates]] that when they threatened her way of life ([[{{Revenge}} at first]]), and all but three of the townsfolk were content with the life she offered, it's possible she wasn't as ([[ObliviouslyEvil intentionally]]) evil as [[{{Cult}} her methods]] and FridgeHorror hinted to. This would explain why the town was [[EasilyForgiven was so quick to forgive her]].
22nd Mar '16 8:43:41 AM Emptybee
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** [[http://www.equestriadaily.com/2016/03/pony-spotlight-9-starlight-glimmer.html This Equestria Daily article]] argues that Starlight showed no intent to kidnap/brainwash the Mane Six to her way of thinking until they started to investigate her, precepts originally planning to persuade them benevolently. Given Starlight was [[OffstageVillainy only explicitly shown to use evil/forceful methods on the Mane Six and associates]] that threatened her way of life ([[{{Revenge}} at first]]), and all but three of the townsfolk were content with the life she offered, it's possible she wasn't as ([[ObliviouslyEvil intentionally]]) evil as [[{{Cult}} her methods]] and FridgeHorror hinted to. This would explain why the town was [[EasilyForgiven was so quick to forgive her]].

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** [[http://www.equestriadaily.com/2016/03/pony-spotlight-9-starlight-glimmer.html This Equestria Daily article]] argues that Starlight showed no intent to kidnap/brainwash the Mane Six to her way of thinking until they started to investigate her, precepts perhaps originally planning to persuade them benevolently. Given Starlight was [[OffstageVillainy only explicitly shown to use evil/forceful methods on the Mane Six and associates]] that threatened her way of life ([[{{Revenge}} at first]]), and all but three of the townsfolk were content with the life she offered, it's possible she wasn't as ([[ObliviouslyEvil intentionally]]) evil as [[{{Cult}} her methods]] and FridgeHorror hinted to. This would explain why the town was [[EasilyForgiven was so quick to forgive her]].
21st Mar '16 11:52:54 AM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* [[http://www.equestriadaily.com/2016/03/pony-spotlight-9-starlight-glimmer.html This Equestria Daily article]] argues that Starlight showed no intent to kidnap/brainwash the Mane Six to her way of thinking until they started to investigate her, precepts originally planning to persuade them benevolently. Given Starlight was [[OffstageVillainy only explicitly shown to use evil/forceful methods on the Mane Six and associates]] that threatened her way of life ([[{{Revenge}} at first]]), and all but three of the townsfolk were content with the life she offered, it's possible she wasn't as ([[ObliviouslyEvil intentionally]]) evil as [[{{Cult}} her methods]] and FridgeHorror hinted to. This would explain why the town was [[EasilyForgiven was so quick to forgive her]].

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* ** [[http://www.equestriadaily.com/2016/03/pony-spotlight-9-starlight-glimmer.html This Equestria Daily article]] argues that Starlight showed no intent to kidnap/brainwash the Mane Six to her way of thinking until they started to investigate her, precepts originally planning to persuade them benevolently. Given Starlight was [[OffstageVillainy only explicitly shown to use evil/forceful methods on the Mane Six and associates]] that threatened her way of life ([[{{Revenge}} at first]]), and all but three of the townsfolk were content with the life she offered, it's possible she wasn't as ([[ObliviouslyEvil intentionally]]) evil as [[{{Cult}} her methods]] and FridgeHorror hinted to. This would explain why the town was [[EasilyForgiven was so quick to forgive her]].
20th Mar '16 11:10:44 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** Did Discord really join Tirek because he wanted to, or was it all part of his plan to help Twilight find her key? He was savvy enough to lead them to discover the other keys through their journal after all. In all it may seem a bit out of character for him to simply fall for Tirek's plan like that. And he may have omitted Twilight at first for this very reason.
*** Another possibility is that he was following whatever whim struck him, you know, god of chaos and all.

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** Did Discord really join Tirek because he wanted to, or was it all part of his plan to help Twilight find her key? He was savvy enough to lead them to discover the other keys through their journal after all. In all it may seem a bit out of character for him to simply fall for Tirek's plan like that. And he may have omitted Twilight at first for this very reason.
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reason. Another possibility is that he was following whatever whim struck him, you know, god of chaos and all.
20th Mar '16 11:08:11 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** Fans are somewhat divided over whether or not they managed to survive their fate at the end of the episode (though in the [[ComicBook/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicIDW comic series]], they do).


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** Was Discord [[FaceHeelTurn siding with Tirek]] a deliberate betrayal of his friends, or did (save Fluttershy) [[TheFriendNobodyLikes none of them actually liking him]] and [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS3E11KeepCalmAndFlutterOn Celestia claiming she had him freed because he could be useful]] make Tirek's [[HannibalLecture argument that their "friendship" was just a way to keep him in line]] seem legit? Helping is that seeing Shining Armor and Fluttershy [[EtTuBrute shocked and hurt by his betrayal]] caused Discord to [[HeelRealization regret his actions]].
20th Mar '16 10:26:20 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* Lord Tirek seems to hold an extreme grudge towards his brother for betraying him (in self defence), and shows disgust for Twilight's loyalty to Discord despite selling her out. Given he himself backstabbed Discord as a stepping stone for his conquest, is this standard villainous MoralMyopia, or does he merely find contempt in said characters valuing and boasting the importance of friendship (which he openly devalues) [[AtLeastIAdmitIt despite having the same self serving tendencies]].



* Lord Tirek seems to hold an extreme grudge towards his brother for betraying him (in self defence), and shows disgust for Twilight's loyalty to Discord despite selling her out. Given he himself backstabbed Discord as a stepping stone for his conquest, is this standard villainous MoralMyopia, or does he merely find contempt in said characters valuing and boasting the importance of friendship (which he openly devalues) [[AtLeastIAdmitIt despite having the same self serving tendencies.]]

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* Lord Tirek seems [[http://www.equestriadaily.com/2016/03/pony-spotlight-9-starlight-glimmer.html This Equestria Daily article]] argues that Starlight showed no intent to hold an extreme grudge towards his brother for betraying him (in self defence), and shows disgust for Twilight's loyalty kidnap/brainwash the Mane Six to Discord despite selling her out. way of thinking until they started to investigate her, precepts originally planning to persuade them benevolently. Given he himself backstabbed Discord as a stepping stone for his conquest, is this standard villainous MoralMyopia, or does he merely find contempt in said characters valuing Starlight was [[OffstageVillainy only explicitly shown to use evil/forceful methods on the Mane Six and boasting associates]] that threatened her way of life ([[{{Revenge}} at first]]), and all but three of the importance of friendship (which he openly devalues) [[AtLeastIAdmitIt despite having townsfolk were content with the same self serving tendencies.]]
life she offered, it's possible she wasn't as ([[ObliviouslyEvil intentionally]]) evil as [[{{Cult}} her methods]] and FridgeHorror hinted to. This would explain why the town was [[EasilyForgiven was so quick to forgive her]].
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