History AlternativeCharacterInterpretation / MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic

19th Jul '17 9:56:01 AM gophergiggles
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* Is Queen Chrysalis a bad guy seeking to subjugate an entire nation to make her and her minions stronger, a JerkassWoobie who is a victim of her upbringing, or a WellIntentionedExtremist who just wanted to feed her people?

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* Is Queen Chrysalis a bad guy seeking to subjugate an entire nation to make her and her minions stronger, a JerkassWoobie who is a victim of her upbringing, or a WellIntentionedExtremist who just wanted to feed her people?people? ''To Where And Back Again'' made it pretty clear her biggest priority is looking out for number 1, but these questions ''still'' stand.


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** ''To Where And Back Again'' has the changelings transform into colorful beetle-looking things when Thorax takes up the throne. This [[VoodooShark raised new questions without answering a single old one...]]
19th Jul '17 9:51:56 AM gophergiggles
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** It isn't even clear what Nightmare Moon WAS, given that once the Elements of Harmony were used on her, she reverted to Princess Luna, who is far more mild-mannered. Was she brainwashed by the elements, or was Nightmare Moon some sort of possessing force that Celestia herself could not extricate? [[ComicBook/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicIDW The IDW comics]] seem to indicate that Nightmare Moon was the result of an outside force, given that [[spoiler:they possess Rarity and make her their new Nightmare Queen]]. However, it's not clear if the show treats the comics as canon, though the episode "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS4E1PrincessTwilightSparklePart1 Princess Twilight Sparkle]]" involves a magically-induced flashback to the birth of Nightmare Moon, where Luna is seen to be enveloped in an orb of shadowy magic while in the middle of a rant against her sister. She doesn't appear to be the one causing said magic and is in fact ''thoroughly'' freaked out, so the "possessed by an outside force" explanation looks far more likely now, though it is sadly not followed up on.

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** It isn't even clear what Nightmare Moon WAS, given that once the Elements of Harmony were used on her, she reverted to Princess Luna, who is far more mild-mannered. Was she brainwashed by the elements, or was Nightmare Moon some sort of possessing force that Celestia herself could not extricate? [[ComicBook/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicIDW The IDW comics]] seem to indicate that Nightmare Moon was the result of an outside force, given that [[spoiler:they possess Rarity and make her their new Nightmare Queen]]. However, it's not clear if the show treats the comics as canon, though the episode "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS4E1PrincessTwilightSparklePart1 Princess Twilight Sparkle]]" involves a magically-induced flashback to the birth and ''Do Princesses Dream of Magic Sheep'' centered entirely around her addressing her guilt of becoming Nightmare Moon, where Luna is seen to be enveloped in an orb Moon of shadowy magic while in her own accord with absolutely no mention of the middle of a rant against her sister. She doesn't appear to be the one causing said magic and is in fact ''thoroughly'' freaked out, so the "possessed by an outside force" explanation looks far more likely now, though it is sadly not followed up on.Nightmare Forces.
19th Jul '17 9:49:10 AM gophergiggles
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** Celestia's tendency to do absolutely nothing other than sent Twilight and the gang after a percieved threat against Equestria, along with her utter [[CurbStompBattle curb-stomping]] by Chrysalis the one time she ''did'' try something (granted Chrysalis had a power boost, but you'd expect her to have at least been able to put up more of a fight than ''that'') and how Nightmare Moon had her on the ropes in their flashback battle until Celestia brandished the Elements of harmony, have made many fans question her strength. Is she actually powerful and holding back to do behind the scenes work, or just a BadassOnPaper who knows she doesn't have the power to do much of anything against a powerful enemy and has to hide behind others? [[spoiler:''The Cutie Remark'' showing that every single future of Equestria without Twilight and her friends is a [[BadFuture war-torn post-apocalyptic nightmare]] only serves to imply the latter until you realize the fact that the chronological order of villains means that each were taken care of - the one remaining is the one that got away.]]

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** Celestia's tendency to do absolutely nothing other than sent Twilight and the gang after a percieved threat against Equestria, along with her utter [[CurbStompBattle curb-stomping]] by Chrysalis the one time she ''did'' try something (granted Chrysalis had a power boost, but you'd expect her to have at least been able to put up more of a fight than ''that'') and how Nightmare Moon had her on the ropes in their flashback battle until Celestia brandished the Elements of harmony, have made many fans question her strength. Is she actually powerful and holding back to do behind the scenes work, or just a BadassOnPaper who knows she doesn't have the power to do much of anything against a powerful enemy and has to hide behind others? [[spoiler:''The Cutie Remark'' showing that every single future of Equestria without Twilight and her friends is a [[BadFuture war-torn post-apocalyptic nightmare]] only serves to imply the latter until you realize the fact that the chronological order of villains means that each were taken care of - the one remaining is the one that got away.]]]] Later episodes have attempted to [[AuthorsSavingThrow address this]] by claiming she [[WillfullyWeak holds her power back]] out of fear of harming others, but it still doesn't explain why she tends to do ''nothing''.
8th Jul '17 3:39:13 PM JJHIL325
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** "Crusaders of the Lost Mark" shows she has some ''extreme'' mommy issues and, after standing up to her mother, she gets her first genuine PetTheDog moment. Whether it leads to a full-on HeelFaceTurn or a FriendlyEnemy at best is still up in the air, however.

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** "Crusaders of the Lost Mark" shows she has some ''extreme'' mommy issues and, after standing up to her mother, she gets her first genuine PetTheDog moment. Whether it leads to a full-on HeelFaceTurn or a FriendlyEnemy at best is still up in the air, however.however, as she hasn't had a proper apperance as of the first half of Season 7.
9th Jun '17 12:23:11 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** This Troper had an idea that might seems silly, but interesting: Dragon Tales had dragons that looked somewhat like him like Cassie the Pink Dragon. While most of the dragons had wings, there was one dragon in a wheelchair that had no wings. So, either Dragon Land is somewhere nearby and Princess Celestia got the egg from there or something happened to two dragon mates that went to the dragon area in Equestria and she found the egg...
9th May '17 5:42:02 PM Bullseye6
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** Where exactly did Princess Celestia get the egg that Spike hatched from? Did she conjure it up with magic, or find it abandoned somewhere? ''Or did she overpower a dragon mother and steal her soon-to-be child?'' The fact that "Dragon Quest" gives the set-up to answer this question but never delivers in the end only [[FridgeHorror raises further questions...]] ''This Troper had an idea that might seems silly, but interesting: Dragon Tales had dragons that looked somewhat like him like Cassie the Pink Dragon. While most of the dragons had wings, there was one dragon in a wheelchair that had no wings. So, either Dragon Land is somewhere nearby and Princess Celestia got the egg from there or something happened to two dragon mates that went to the dragon area in Equestria and she found the egg...

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** Where exactly did Princess Celestia get the egg that Spike hatched from? Did she conjure it up with magic, or find it abandoned somewhere? ''Or did she overpower a dragon mother and steal her soon-to-be child?'' The fact that "Dragon Quest" gives the set-up to answer this question but never delivers in the end only [[FridgeHorror raises further questions...]] ''This ]]
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Troper had an idea that might seems silly, but interesting: Dragon Tales had dragons that looked somewhat like him like Cassie the Pink Dragon. While most of the dragons had wings, there was one dragon in a wheelchair that had no wings. So, either Dragon Land is somewhere nearby and Princess Celestia got the egg from there or something happened to two dragon mates that went to the dragon area in Equestria and she found the egg...
9th May '17 5:40:21 PM Bullseye6
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** Where exactly did Princess Celestia get the egg that Spike hatched from? Did she conjure it up with magic, or find it abandoned somewhere? ''Or did she overpower a dragon mother and steal her soon-to-be child?'' The fact that "Dragon Quest" gives the set-up to answer this question but never delivers in the end only [[FridgeHorror raises further questions...]]
* This Troper had an idea that might seems silly, but interesting: Dragon Tales had dragons that looked somewhat like him like Cassie the Pink Dragon. While most of the dragons had wings, there was one dragon in a wheelchair that had no wings. So, either Dragon Land is somewhere nearby and Princess Celestia got the egg from there or something happened to two dragon mates that went to the dragon area in Equestria and she found the egg...

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** Where exactly did Princess Celestia get the egg that Spike hatched from? Did she conjure it up with magic, or find it abandoned somewhere? ''Or did she overpower a dragon mother and steal her soon-to-be child?'' The fact that "Dragon Quest" gives the set-up to answer this question but never delivers in the end only [[FridgeHorror raises further questions...]]
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]] ''This Troper had an idea that might seems silly, but interesting: Dragon Tales had dragons that looked somewhat like him like Cassie the Pink Dragon. While most of the dragons had wings, there was one dragon in a wheelchair that had no wings. So, either Dragon Land is somewhere nearby and Princess Celestia got the egg from there or something happened to two dragon mates that went to the dragon area in Equestria and she found the egg...
9th May '17 5:36:49 PM Bullseye6
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*This Troper had an idea that might seems silly, but interesting: Dragon Tales had dragons that looked somewhat like him like Cassie the Pink Dragon. While most of the dragons had wings, there was one dragon in a wheelchair that had no wings. So, either Dragon Land is somewhere nearby and Princess Celestia got the egg from there or something happened to two dragon mates that went to the dragon area in Equestria and she found the egg...
30th Apr '17 9:59:45 AM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** Another theory is that Equestria ''used'' to be a facist caste system because of the the Hearth's Warming Eve play. It is the only time we see the ponies divided along Earth pony/pegasus/unicorn lines and that is explicitly set in the past, implying that modern Equestria is much more racially balanced. If the unicorns somehow controlled all the learning and knowledge, then why is the most prominent teacher character an Earth pony? Also, if the unicorns oppressed the earth ponies in a 'first and second class citizen' manner, then why is the mayor of Ponyvile an earth pony and the Film Flam Brothers run out of town by angry customers?
* ''Ms.'' magazine [[HateDumb infamously]] ran a blog post that interpreted the characters in unflattering ways, including: magical white ponies had all the power and oppressed dark-colored ponies, you need the government to tell you what to do, and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking girls that wear rainbows are butch]]. ''Creator/LaurenFaust herself'' [[http://msmagazine.com/blog/2010/12/24/my-little-non-homophobic-non-racist-non-smart-shaming-pony-a-rebuttal/ responded]].

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** Another theory is that Equestria ''used'' to be a facist caste system because of the the Hearth's Warming Eve play. It is the only time we see the ponies divided along Earth earth pony/pegasus/unicorn lines and that is explicitly set in the past, implying that modern Equestria is much more racially balanced. If the unicorns somehow controlled all the learning and knowledge, then why is the most prominent teacher character an Earth pony? Also, if the unicorns oppressed the earth ponies in a 'first and second class citizen' manner, then why is the mayor of Ponyvile an earth pony and the Film Flam Brothers run out of town by angry customers?
* ''Ms.'' magazine [[HateDumb infamously]] infamously ran a blog post that interpreted the characters in unflattering ways, including: magical white ponies had all the power and oppressed dark-colored ponies, you need the government to tell you what to do, and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking girls that wear rainbows are butch]]. ''Creator/LaurenFaust herself'' [[http://msmagazine.com/blog/2010/12/24/my-little-non-homophobic-non-racist-non-smart-shaming-pony-a-rebuttal/ responded]].
30th Apr '17 9:53:21 AM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** [[http://www.equestriadaily.com/2016/03/pony-spotlight-9-starlight-glimmer.html This Equestria Daily article]] argues that Starlight showed no intent to kidnap/brainwash the Mane Six to her way of thinking until they started to investigate her, perhaps originally planning to persuade them benevolently. Given Starlight was [[OffstageVillainy only explicitly shown to use evil/forceful methods on the Mane Six and associates]] when they threatened her way of life ([[{{Revenge}} at first]]), and all but three of the townsfolk were content with the life she offered, it's possible she wasn't as ([[ObliviouslyEvil intentionally]]) evil as [[{{Cult}} her methods]] and FridgeHorror hinted to. This would explain why the town was [[EasilyForgiven was so quick to forgive her]].

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** [[http://www.equestriadaily.com/2016/03/pony-spotlight-9-starlight-glimmer.html This Equestria Daily article]] argues that Starlight showed no intent to kidnap/brainwash the Mane Six to her way of thinking until they started to investigate her, perhaps originally planning to persuade them benevolently. Given Starlight was [[OffstageVillainy only explicitly shown to use evil/forceful methods on the Mane Six and associates]] when they threatened her way of life ([[{{Revenge}} at first]]), and all but three of the townsfolk were content with the life she offered, it's possible she wasn't as ([[ObliviouslyEvil intentionally]]) evil as [[{{Cult}} her methods]] and FridgeHorror hinted to. This would explain why the town was [[EasilyForgiven was so quick to forgive her]].
her]]. While Starlight does claim to have "enslaved" them in later seasons, by that point she's carrying such guilt over her action it may have clouded her perception of it.
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