History Administrivia / TheSameButMore

29th Jan '16 2:47:48 PM SolipSchism
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A common variant is when someone wants to write pages like "Trope X, but done well" or "Trope X, but done poorly". Remember that Tropes are [[TropesAreTools Neither Good Nor Bad]] -- tropes are value-neutral, and whether they come across as positive or negative depends on how an individual work uses them. Besides, attempting to split tropes by their execution can be [[FanMyopia extremely subjective]], since fans of a given work will argue that it belongs in the "good" pile while detractors constantly move it back into the "bad" pile. [[EditWar This continues]], probably interminably.

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A common variant is when someone wants to write pages like "Trope X, but done well" or "Trope X, but done poorly". Remember that Tropes are [[TropesAreTools Neither Good Nor Bad]] -- tropes are value-neutral, and whether they come across as positive or negative depends on how an individual work uses them. Besides, attempting to split tropes by their execution can be [[FanMyopia extremely subjective]], since fans of a given work will argue that it belongs in the "good" pile while detractors constantly move it back into the "bad" pile. [[EditWar [[Administrivia/EditWar This continues]], probably interminably.
27th Sep '14 6:20:28 PM R1ck1
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A common variant is when someone wants to write "Article X, but done well" or "Article X, but done poorly". Remember that Tropes are [[TropesAreTools Neither Good Nor Bad]] -- tropes are value-neutral, and whether they come across as positive or negative depends on how an individual work uses them. Besides, attempting to split tropes by their execution can be [[FanMyopia extremely subjective]], since fans of a given work will argue that it belongs in the "good" pile while detractors constantly move it back into the "bad" pile. [[EditWar This continues]], probably interminably.

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A common variant is when someone wants to write "Article pages like "Trope X, but done well" or "Article "Trope X, but done poorly". Remember that Tropes are [[TropesAreTools Neither Good Nor Bad]] -- tropes are value-neutral, and whether they come across as positive or negative depends on how an individual work uses them. Besides, attempting to split tropes by their execution can be [[FanMyopia extremely subjective]], since fans of a given work will argue that it belongs in the "good" pile while detractors constantly move it back into the "bad" pile. [[EditWar This continues]], probably interminably.
1st Dec '13 8:18:55 AM LongLiveHumour
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Remember, TropesAreFlexible. There's enough untapped content to go around already -- there's really no point in rehashing what we've already got. Sometimes you might think there is a [[SubTrope quantitative difference]] in a new trope, but if the examples are mostly the same as the earlier trope, then you're basically just duplicating the one that already exists.

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Remember, TropesAreFlexible.Administrivia/TropesAreFlexible. There's enough untapped content to go around already -- there's really no point in rehashing what we've already got. Sometimes you might think there is a [[SubTrope quantitative difference]] in a new trope, but if the examples are mostly the same as the earlier trope, then you're basically just duplicating the one that already exists.
10th Jul '13 6:40:24 PM Willbyr
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10th Jun '13 11:48:06 PM Withoutaname
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Essentially, this is when a trope can be summed up as "the same as Article X, but pumped UpToEleven". While the temptation to start these sort of articles is evidently irresistible -- hardly a day goes by that one doesn't show up in YKTTW -- they are almost always a bad idea for a number of reasons, not the least of which is [[LumperVsSplitter where to draw the dividing line]] between "Trope X" and "Trope [[XtremeKoolLetterz Xtreme]]".

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Essentially, this is when a trope can be summed up as "the same as Article X, but pumped UpToEleven". While the temptation to start these sort of articles is evidently irresistible -- hardly a day goes by that one doesn't show up in YKTTW -- they are almost always a bad idea for a number of reasons, not the least of which is [[LumperVsSplitter [[Administrivia/LumperVsSplitter where to draw the dividing line]] between "Trope X" and "Trope [[XtremeKoolLetterz Xtreme]]".
11th Feb '13 5:38:09 AM SeptimusHeap
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A popular type of TheSameButMoreSpecific.

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A popular type of TheSameButMoreSpecific.
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25th Nov '12 5:15:38 AM SeptimusHeap
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If you think your extreme trope has the distinction worthy of a SubTrope, please [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/ykttw.php?interval=1 check with the other Tropers first]] and to get opinions; if ''other people'' agree that the SubTrope label applies, it probably does; likewise, if they're all calling it TheSameButMore, they're probably right.

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If you think your extreme trope has the distinction worthy of a SubTrope, please [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/ykttw.php?interval=1 check with the other Tropers first]] and to get opinions; if ''other people'' agree that the SubTrope label applies, it probably does; likewise, if they're all calling it TheSameButMore, Administrivia/TheSameButMore, they're probably right.
4th Sep '12 12:00:16 AM mlsmithca
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Now if the difference actually ''is clear'', the result may be a SubTrope, SuperTrope, or SisterTrope of another. For example, CriticalResearchFailure looks like DidNotDoTheResearch taken UpToEleven (and, in some ways, it ''is''), but the difference is quite clear in practice: ''Any'' lay person can immediately spot a CriticalResearchFailure, whereas by contrast it generally takes an expert (or at least somebody who's [[ShownTheirWork done their own research]]) to prove when a writer simply DidNotDoTheResearch. Thus, the examples in each trope are almost mutually exclusive, despite their definitions on paper being TheSameButMore.

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Now if the difference actually ''is clear'', the result may be a SubTrope, SuperTrope, or SisterTrope of another. For example, CriticalResearchFailure looks like DidNotDoTheResearch taken UpToEleven (and, in some ways, it ''is''), but the difference is quite clear in practice: ''Any'' lay person can immediately spot a CriticalResearchFailure, whereas by contrast it generally takes an expert (or at least somebody who's [[ShownTheirWork done their own research]]) to prove when a writer simply DidNotDoTheResearch. Thus, the examples in each trope are almost mutually exclusive, despite their definitions on paper being TheSameButMore.
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13th Aug '12 7:25:31 AM Discar
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A popular type of TheSameButMoreSpecific.

Essentially, this is when a trope can be summed up as "the same as Article X, but pumped UpToEleven". While the temptation to start these sort of articles is evidently irresistible -- hardly a day goes by that one doesn't show up in YKTTW -- they are almost always a bad idea for a number of reasons, not the least of which is [[LumperVsSplitter where to draw the dividing line]] between "Trope X" and "Trope [[XtremeKoolLetterz Xtreme]]".

A common variant is when someone wants to write "Article X, but done well" or "Article X, but done poorly". Remember that Tropes are [[TropesAreTools Neither Good Nor Bad]] -- tropes are value-neutral, and whether they come across as positive or negative depends on how an individual work uses them. Besides, attempting to split tropes by their execution can be [[FanMyopia extremely subjective]], since fans of a given work will argue that it belongs in the "good" pile while detractors constantly move it back into the "bad" pile. [[EditWar This continues]], probably interminably.

Remember, TropesAreFlexible. There's enough untapped content to go around already -- there's really no point in rehashing what we've already got. Sometimes you might think there is a [[SubTrope quantitative difference]] in a new trope, but if the examples are mostly the same as the earlier trope, then you're basically just duplicating the one that already exists.

Now if the difference actually ''is clear'', the result may be a SubTrope, SuperTrope, or SisterTrope of another. For example, CriticalResearchFailure looks like DidNotDoTheResearch taken UpToEleven (and, in some ways, it ''is''), but the difference is quite clear in practice: ''Any'' lay person can immediately spot a CriticalResearchFailure, whereas by contrast it generally takes an expert (or at least somebody who's [[ShownTheirWork done their own research]]) to prove when a writer simply DidNotDoTheResearch. Thus, the examples in each trope are almost mutually exclusive, despite their definitions on paper being TheSameButMore.

If you think your extreme trope has the distinction worthy of a SubTrope, please [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/ykttw.php?interval=1 check with the other Tropers first]] and to get opinions; if ''other people'' agree that the SubTrope label applies, it probably does; likewise, if they're all calling it TheSameButMore, they're probably right.

See also ExaggeratedTrope, which covers tropes being played UpToEleven ''in-universe'', and DownplayedTrope, which covers the opposite.
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