History Administrivia / TheSameButMore

29th Jan '16 2:47:48 PM SolipSchism
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Wick cleanup, Edit War moved to Administrivia
A common variant is when someone wants to write pages like "Trope X, but done well" or "Trope X, but done poorly". Remember that Tropes are [[TropesAreTools Neither Good Nor Bad]] -- tropes are value-neutral, and whether they come across as positive or negative depends on how an individual work uses them. Besides, attempting to split tropes by their execution can be [[FanMyopia extremely subjective]], since fans of a given work will argue that it belongs in the "good" pile while detractors constantly move it back into the "bad" pile. [[EditWar This continues]], probably interminably.
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A common variant is when someone wants to write pages like "Trope X, but done well" or "Trope X, but done poorly". Remember that Tropes are [[TropesAreTools Neither Good Nor Bad]] -- tropes are value-neutral, and whether they come across as positive or negative depends on how an individual work uses them. Besides, attempting to split tropes by their execution can be [[FanMyopia extremely subjective]], since fans of a given work will argue that it belongs in the "good" pile while detractors constantly move it back into the "bad" pile. [[EditWar [[Administrivia/EditWar This continues]], probably interminably.
27th Sep '14 6:20:28 PM R1ck1
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A common variant is when someone wants to write "Article X, but done well" or "Article X, but done poorly". Remember that Tropes are [[TropesAreTools Neither Good Nor Bad]] -- tropes are value-neutral, and whether they come across as positive or negative depends on how an individual work uses them. Besides, attempting to split tropes by their execution can be [[FanMyopia extremely subjective]], since fans of a given work will argue that it belongs in the "good" pile while detractors constantly move it back into the "bad" pile. [[EditWar This continues]], probably interminably.
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A common variant is when someone wants to write "Article pages like "Trope X, but done well" or "Article "Trope X, but done poorly". Remember that Tropes are [[TropesAreTools Neither Good Nor Bad]] -- tropes are value-neutral, and whether they come across as positive or negative depends on how an individual work uses them. Besides, attempting to split tropes by their execution can be [[FanMyopia extremely subjective]], since fans of a given work will argue that it belongs in the "good" pile while detractors constantly move it back into the "bad" pile. [[EditWar This continues]], probably interminably.
1st Dec '13 8:18:55 AM LongLiveHumour
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Remember, TropesAreFlexible. There's enough untapped content to go around already -- there's really no point in rehashing what we've already got. Sometimes you might think there is a [[SubTrope quantitative difference]] in a new trope, but if the examples are mostly the same as the earlier trope, then you're basically just duplicating the one that already exists.
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Remember, TropesAreFlexible.Administrivia/TropesAreFlexible. There's enough untapped content to go around already -- there's really no point in rehashing what we've already got. Sometimes you might think there is a [[SubTrope quantitative difference]] in a new trope, but if the examples are mostly the same as the earlier trope, then you're basically just duplicating the one that already exists.
10th Jul '13 6:40:24 PM Willbyr
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10th Jun '13 11:48:06 PM Withoutaname
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Essentially, this is when a trope can be summed up as "the same as Article X, but pumped UpToEleven". While the temptation to start these sort of articles is evidently irresistible -- hardly a day goes by that one doesn't show up in YKTTW -- they are almost always a bad idea for a number of reasons, not the least of which is [[LumperVsSplitter where to draw the dividing line]] between "Trope X" and "Trope [[XtremeKoolLetterz Xtreme]]".
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Essentially, this is when a trope can be summed up as "the same as Article X, but pumped UpToEleven". While the temptation to start these sort of articles is evidently irresistible -- hardly a day goes by that one doesn't show up in YKTTW -- they are almost always a bad idea for a number of reasons, not the least of which is [[LumperVsSplitter [[Administrivia/LumperVsSplitter where to draw the dividing line]] between "Trope X" and "Trope [[XtremeKoolLetterz Xtreme]]".
11th Feb '13 5:38:09 AM SeptimusHeap
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A popular type of TheSameButMoreSpecific.
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A popular type of TheSameButMoreSpecific. Administrivia/TheSameButMoreSpecific.
25th Nov '12 5:15:38 AM SeptimusHeap
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Namespace shift
If you think your extreme trope has the distinction worthy of a SubTrope, please [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/ykttw.php?interval=1 check with the other Tropers first]] and to get opinions; if ''other people'' agree that the SubTrope label applies, it probably does; likewise, if they're all calling it TheSameButMore, they're probably right.
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If you think your extreme trope has the distinction worthy of a SubTrope, please [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/ykttw.php?interval=1 check with the other Tropers first]] and to get opinions; if ''other people'' agree that the SubTrope label applies, it probably does; likewise, if they're all calling it TheSameButMore, Administrivia/TheSameButMore, they're probably right.
4th Sep '12 12:00:16 AM mlsmithca
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Someone will need to find a new example now that Did Not Do The Research has been perma-redlinked.
Now if the difference actually ''is clear'', the result may be a SubTrope, SuperTrope, or SisterTrope of another. For example, CriticalResearchFailure looks like DidNotDoTheResearch taken UpToEleven (and, in some ways, it ''is''), but the difference is quite clear in practice: ''Any'' lay person can immediately spot a CriticalResearchFailure, whereas by contrast it generally takes an expert (or at least somebody who's [[ShownTheirWork done their own research]]) to prove when a writer simply DidNotDoTheResearch. Thus, the examples in each trope are almost mutually exclusive, despite their definitions on paper being TheSameButMore.
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Now if the difference actually ''is clear'', the result may be a SubTrope, SuperTrope, or SisterTrope of another. For example, CriticalResearchFailure looks like DidNotDoTheResearch taken UpToEleven (and, in some ways, it ''is''), but the difference is quite clear in practice: ''Any'' lay person can immediately spot a CriticalResearchFailure, whereas by contrast it generally takes an expert (or at least somebody who's [[ShownTheirWork done their own research]]) to prove when a writer simply DidNotDoTheResearch. Thus, the examples in each trope are almost mutually exclusive, despite their definitions on paper being TheSameButMore. another.
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