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4th Feb '16 4:05:20 PM nombretomado
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'''Misleading links:''' Consider Creator/MarkHamill, who both portrayed Luke Skywalker in ''Franchise/StarWars'' and voiced SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker in the {{DCAU}}.

In an example about ''Franchise/StarWars'', potholing Mark Hamill's name to SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker like this...

->In ''Franchise/StarWars'' [[SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker Mark Hamill]] is...

... creates a sinkhole -- the fact that he voiced SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker is completely irrelevant to his role in ''Franchise/StarWars''. More importantly, [[Creator/MarkHamill he has a page]], so potholing his name to another page is odd. The reader has to maneuver around the sinkhole to avoid being knocked off track. It adds nothing to the wiki except the likelihood of confusion, as Hamill's page already provides readers with a list of his other roles, and clearly specifies that he voiced The Joker in ''Batman: The Animated Series'' (and other works), while the sinkhole only implies he has some kind of relation to The Joker. Such sinkhole links should be changed to point to what the text is actually about or un-linked altogether.

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'''Misleading links:''' Consider Creator/MarkHamill, who both portrayed Luke Skywalker in ''Franchise/StarWars'' and voiced SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker ComicBook/TheJoker in the {{DCAU}}.

In an example about ''Franchise/StarWars'', potholing Mark Hamill's name to SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker ComicBook/TheJoker like this...

->In ''Franchise/StarWars'' [[SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker [[ComicBook/TheJoker Mark Hamill]] is...

... creates a sinkhole -- the fact that he voiced SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker ComicBook/TheJoker is completely irrelevant to his role in ''Franchise/StarWars''. More importantly, [[Creator/MarkHamill he has a page]], so potholing his name to another page is odd. The reader has to maneuver around the sinkhole to avoid being knocked off track. It adds nothing to the wiki except the likelihood of confusion, as Hamill's page already provides readers with a list of his other roles, and clearly specifies that he voiced The Joker in ''Batman: The Animated Series'' (and other works), while the sinkhole only implies he has some kind of relation to The Joker. Such sinkhole links should be changed to point to what the text is actually about or un-linked altogether.
7th Jun '15 4:31:01 AM SeptimusHeap
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'''Chained sinkholes:''' These are when pot holes are chained with sinkhole characteristics. There's only one sentence, but many pages linked to. Instead of proper structuring, careless editors divide the sentence to equal parts and link each part to the articles. That way we'll get mess that turns nearly the entire sentence blue like this:

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'''Chained sinkholes:''' These are when pot holes are chained with sinkhole characteristics. There's only one sentence, but many pages linked to. Instead of proper structuring, careless editors divide the sentence to equal parts and link each part to the articles. That way we'll get a mess that turns nearly the entire sentence blue like this:
22nd Mar '15 3:01:26 PM SeptimusHeap
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'''Trope potholes in page quotes:''' Quotes do not have potholes in their original medium, and extraneous bluelinks above the trope description just distract the reader. If potholes are not necessary to understand the quote, then they are redundant. If potholes give context that is needed to understand the quote, then the quote does not truly illustrate the trope. Page quotes thus should not have any trope potholes in them, although it is okay to pothole to a work or genre which is referenced obliquely.

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'''Trope potholes in page quotes:''' Quotes do not have potholes in their original medium, and extraneous bluelinks above the trope description just distract the reader. If potholes are not necessary to understand the quote, then they are redundant. If potholes give context that is needed to understand the quote, then the quote does not truly illustrate the trope. Page quotes thus should not have any trope potholes in them, although it is okay to pothole to a work or genre which is referenced obliquely.
directly.
24th Dec '14 3:18:27 AM SeptimusHeap
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'''Changing the display text of a trope in a list:''' This is used to make a trope specific to a situation, e.g. changing SealedEvilInACan to [[SealedEvilInACan Frozen Evil in a Lake]]. However, doing this messes up alphabetization (does that example go under S or F?), makes it harder to find tropes, causes confusion over what the trope's actual name is, and encourages Administrivia/{{Zero Context Example}}s. Just list the trope under its normal title and then expand on it properly.

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'''Changing the display text of a trope in a list:''' This is used to make a trope specific to a situation, e.g. changing SealedEvilInACan to [[SealedEvilInACan Frozen Evil in a Lake]]. However, doing this messes up alphabetization (does that example go under S or F?), makes it harder to find tropes, causes confusion over what the trope's actual name is, and encourages Administrivia/{{Zero Context Example}}s.Example}}s and SquarePegRoundTrope. Just list the trope under its normal title and then expand on it properly.
10th Sep '14 11:15:54 PM Telcontar
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'''Misleading links:'''
Consider Creator/MarkHamill, who both portrayed Luke Skywalker in ''Franchise/StarWars'' and voiced SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker in the {{DCAU}}.

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'''Misleading links:'''
links:''' Consider Creator/MarkHamill, who both portrayed Luke Skywalker in ''Franchise/StarWars'' and voiced SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker in the {{DCAU}}.



'''Covert Opinions:'''
Too many times sinkholes are used to bury a [[YMMV/HomePage YMMV]] in an example or description. These are bad. If you see one of these, remove the unnecessary links and/or restructure the necessary ones.

'''AllBlueEntry Attempts:'''
This is an attempt to create an AllBlueEntry under the pretense that it's witty or novel. This is not the case. Gratuitous sinkholes should be removed from such examples.

'''Linking a common phrase to a trope of the same name:'''
For example, linking a statement that someone "got better" in some way, shape or form to the trope IGotBetter. That is part of why the trope was renamed to UnexplainedRecovery and why Administrivia/NoNewStockPhrases are allowed.

'''Changing the display text of a trope in a list:'''
This is used to make a trope specific to a situation, e.g. changing SealedEvilInACan to [[SealedEvilInACan Frozen Evil in a Lake]]. However, doing this messes up alphabetization (does that example go under S or F?), makes it harder to find tropes, causes confusion over what the trope's actual name is, and encourages Administrivia/{{Zero Context Example}}s. Just list the trope under its normal title and then expand on it properly.

'''Joke Fulfillment Links''':

Please consider that for tropers/readers that have been frequenting the wiki for even a few days, there is nothing remotely original or new about potholing understatements to {{Understatement}}, stealth puns to StealthPun, running gags to RunningGag, overused running gags to OverusedRunningGag, and so on. It has been done to death. It has become repetitive and predictable, and repetitiveness and predictability kill humour. In other words, don't require a link jump to make the joke work. It doesn't. Ever.

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'''Covert Opinions:'''
opinions:''' Too many times sinkholes are used to bury a [[YMMV/HomePage YMMV]] in an example or description. These are bad. If you see one of these, remove the unnecessary links and/or restructure the necessary ones.

'''AllBlueEntry Attempts:'''
attempts:''' This is an attempt to create an AllBlueEntry under the pretense that it's witty or novel. This is not the case. Gratuitous sinkholes should be removed from such examples.

'''Linking a common phrase to a trope of the same name:'''
name:''' For example, linking a statement that someone "got better" in some way, shape or form to the trope IGotBetter. That is part of why the trope was renamed to UnexplainedRecovery and why Administrivia/NoNewStockPhrases are allowed.

'''Changing the display text of a trope in a list:'''
list:''' This is used to make a trope specific to a situation, e.g. changing SealedEvilInACan to [[SealedEvilInACan Frozen Evil in a Lake]]. However, doing this messes up alphabetization (does that example go under S or F?), makes it harder to find tropes, causes confusion over what the trope's actual name is, and encourages Administrivia/{{Zero Context Example}}s. Just list the trope under its normal title and then expand on it properly.

'''Trope potholes in page quotes:''' Quotes do not have potholes in their original medium, and extraneous bluelinks above the trope description just distract the reader. If potholes are not necessary to understand the quote, then they are redundant. If potholes give context that is needed to understand the quote, then the quote does not truly illustrate the trope. Page quotes thus should not have any trope potholes in them, although it is okay to pothole to a work or genre which is referenced obliquely.

'''Joke Fulfillment Links''':

Links:''' Please consider that for tropers/readers that tropers or readers who have been frequenting the wiki for even a few days, there is nothing remotely original or new about potholing understatements to {{Understatement}}, stealth puns to StealthPun, running gags to RunningGag, overused running gags to OverusedRunningGag, and so on. It has been done to death. It has become repetitive and predictable, and repetitiveness and predictability kill humour. In other words, don't require a link jump to make the joke work. It doesn't. Ever.
27th May '14 2:39:36 PM FastEddie
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'''Joke Fulfillment Links''':

Please consider that for tropers/readers that have been frequenting the wiki for even a few days, there is nothing remotely original or new about potholing understatements to {{Understatement}}, stealth puns to StealthPun, running gags to RunningGag, overused running gags to OverusedRunningGag, and so on. It has been done to death. It has become repetitive and predictable, and repetitiveness and predictability kill humour. In other words, don't require a link jump to make the joke work. It doesn't. Ever.
27th May '14 2:32:01 PM FastEddie
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'''TV Tropes Editor's Use of a Trope:'''
Tropes are everywhere, more than just TV, but our primary focus will always be on media. Linking to the internal use of a trope by the person writing an otherwise unrelated entry is especially bad. For example, someone being KilledMidSentence features the line "[[{{Understatement}} Bob disagreed with him]]." The problem is that the trope {{Understatement}} was not actually used in the media in question, but is the writer describing the entry and pointing out their own "witty" use of a trope within. Typically, removing the statement all together loses nothing.

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'''TV Tropes Editor's Use of a Trope:'''
Tropes are everywhere, more than just TV, but our primary focus will always be on media. Linking to the internal use of a trope by the person writing an otherwise unrelated entry is especially bad. For example, someone being KilledMidSentence features the line "[[{{Understatement}} Bob disagreed with him]]." The problem is that the trope {{Understatement}} was not actually used in the media in question, but is the writer describing the entry and pointing out their own "witty" use of a trope within. Typically, removing the statement all together loses nothing.
17th May '14 12:28:22 AM KJMackley
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Tropes are everywhere, more than just TV, but our primary focus will always be on media. Linking to the internal use of a trope by the person writing an otherwise unrelated entry is especially bad. For example, someone being KilledMidSentence features the line "[[{{Understatement}} Bob disagreed with him]]." The problem is that the trope {{Understatement}} was not actually used in the media in question, but is the writer describing the entry and pointing out their own "witty" use of a trope within. Typically, removing the sinkhole (or even the statement all together) loses nothing.

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Tropes are everywhere, more than just TV, but our primary focus will always be on media. Linking to the internal use of a trope by the person writing an otherwise unrelated entry is especially bad. For example, someone being KilledMidSentence features the line "[[{{Understatement}} Bob disagreed with him]]." The problem is that the trope {{Understatement}} was not actually used in the media in question, but is the writer describing the entry and pointing out their own "witty" use of a trope within. Typically, removing the sinkhole (or even the statement all together) together loses nothing.
17th May '14 12:27:32 AM KJMackley
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Tropes are everywhere, more than just TV, but our primary focus will always be on media. Linking to the internal use of a trope by the person writing an otherwise unrelated entry is especially bad. For example, an example on someone being KilledMidSentence features a blue linked statement of "[[{{Understatement}} Bob disagreed with him]]." The problem is that the trope {{Understatement}} was not actually used in the entry, but is the writer (or someone else coming along) pointing out their own "witty" use of a trope while describing the entry. Typically, removing the sinkhole (or even the statement all together) results in a cleaner trope entry.

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Tropes are everywhere, more than just TV, but our primary focus will always be on media. Linking to the internal use of a trope by the person writing an otherwise unrelated entry is especially bad. For example, an example on someone being KilledMidSentence features a blue linked statement of the line "[[{{Understatement}} Bob disagreed with him]]." The problem is that the trope {{Understatement}} was not actually used in the entry, media in question, but is the writer (or someone else coming along) describing the entry and pointing out their own "witty" use of a trope while describing the entry. within. Typically, removing the sinkhole (or even the statement all together) results in a cleaner trope entry.
loses nothing.
17th May '14 12:25:22 AM KJMackley
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'''TV Tropes Editor's Use of a Trope:'''
Tropes are everywhere, more than just TV, but our primary focus will always be on media. Linking to the internal use of a trope by the person writing an otherwise unrelated entry is especially bad. For example, an example on someone being KilledMidSentence features a blue linked statement of "[[{{Understatement}} Bob disagreed with him]]." The problem is that the trope {{Understatement}} was not actually used in the entry, but is the writer (or someone else coming along) pointing out their own "witty" use of a trope while describing the entry. Typically, removing the sinkhole (or even the statement all together) results in a cleaner trope entry.
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