History Administrivia / EverythingYouWantedToKnowAboutChangingNames

17th Sep '17 12:52:16 PM nombretomado
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* '''Renaming is not a magic solution''' to all of a page's problems. If some issue isn't the name's fault, there's little sense in trying to fix that issue by renaming. If renaming could help but there's another, better way to deal with the issue, that's still a good reason to try that way instead. RedirectsAreFree, for example. If the main issues with a name are that it's [[OverlyLongName overly long]] or difficult to spell, an intuitive redirect may be a better solution than renaming the trope.

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* '''Renaming is not a magic solution''' to all of a page's problems. If some issue isn't the name's fault, there's little sense in trying to fix that issue by renaming. If renaming could help but there's another, better way to deal with the issue, that's still a good reason to try that way instead. RedirectsAreFree, Administrivia/RedirectsAreFree, for example. If the main issues with a name are that it's [[OverlyLongName overly long]] or difficult to spell, an intuitive redirect may be a better solution than renaming the trope.
9th Sep '17 7:57:46 AM Malady
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* The name is '''Unclear''' -- it fails to indicate what the trope is about, and thus undermines our goal of making the trope as accessible to as great a portion of our readership as possible. This includes [[WordSaladTitle titles that have nothing to do with the trope]], using technical terms that mean something else in everyday speech and names that rely on familiarity with a particular work to make sense/"names that suggest something unrelated to most people" (see Administrivia: Administrivia/{{Renamed Tropes}}).\\

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* The name is '''Unclear''' -- it fails to indicate what the trope is about, and thus undermines our goal of making the trope as accessible to as great a portion of our readership as possible. This includes [[WordSaladTitle titles that have nothing to do with the trope]], using technical terms that mean something else in everyday speech and names that rely on familiarity with a particular work to make sense/"names that suggest something unrelated to most people" (see Administrivia: Administrivia/{{Renamed Tropes}}).Administrivia/RenamedTropes).\\



If you think a name is unclear, remember that ''you are required to make substantial arguments and provide substantial evidence that the name is really unclear to actual readers, and that this lack of clarity exists outside your imagination.'' There are all sorts of ways to do this; you can use a [[Administrivia/HowToDoAWickCheck Wick Check]], an InboundCheck, Google result analysis or a dictionary, to name a few. Just saying "this is totally unclear" is not an argument in and of itself.

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If you think a name is unclear, remember that ''you are required to make substantial arguments and provide substantial evidence that the name is really unclear to actual readers, and that this lack of clarity exists outside your imagination.'' There are all sorts of ways to do this; you can use a [[Administrivia/HowToDoAWickCheck Wick Check]], an InboundCheck, Administrivia/InboundCheck, Google result analysis or a dictionary, to name a few. Just saying "this is totally unclear" is not an argument in and of itself.
23rd Mar '17 6:19:49 PM rodneyAnonymous
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Though we hate to admit it, the concept of renaming tropes has pretty much become SeriousBusiness on this wiki. In some particularly bad cases, debates about renaming have even degenerated into {{Flame War}}s, which is plain uncool. For this reason, we've crafted up a basic rename strategy to answer the questions of when, and how, tropes are to be renamed.

The first part of the strategy is that ''a trope should never be renamed without discussion''. Discussion is done in the [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/conversations.php?topic=renames Trope Repair Shop]]. The idea is to hear everyone out, consider the relevant arguments and reach general agreement as to what should be done.

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Though we hate to admit it, the concept of renaming tropes has pretty much become SeriousBusiness on this wiki. In some particularly bad cases, debates about renaming have even degenerated into {{Flame War}}s, which is plain uncool.War}}s. For this reason, we've crafted up a basic rename strategy to answer the questions of when, and how, tropes are to be renamed.

The first part of the strategy is that ''a trope should never be renamed without discussion''. Discussion is done in the [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/conversations.php?topic=renames Trope Repair Shop]]. The idea is to hear everyone out, consider the relevant arguments arguments, and reach general agreement as to what should be done.




7th Dec '16 7:43:39 AM SeptimusHeap
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Eventually, the proposition will either go through or be rejected, depending on whether there is consensus supporting it. Note that a majority is not always a consensus. It's not simply "how many" votes; it's "what proportion" of the votes cast that matters. 5 votes out of 6 indicates a consensus. 49 votes out of 95 does not, even though it's a majority. In general, we regard a two-thirds majority as the threshold for a majority to be called a consensus, but this number is not set in stone. In particularly heated discussions where the back-and-forth continues even after the crowner has stabilized - regarding how to interpret the results, what to do with them, and so on- a moderator will have to step in and make the call.

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Eventually, the proposition will either go through or be rejected, depending on whether there is consensus supporting it. Note that a majority is not always a consensus. It's not simply "how many" votes; it's "what proportion" of the votes cast that matters. 5 14 votes out of 6 15 indicates a consensus. 49 votes out of 95 does not, even though it's a majority. In general, we regard a two-thirds majority as the threshold for a majority to be called a consensus, but this number is not set in stone. In particularly heated discussions where the back-and-forth continues even after the crowner has stabilized - regarding how to interpret the results, what to do with them, and so on- a moderator will have to step in and make the call.



Once the alternative titles crowner has stabilized, again, either discussion will die down with everyone accepting the winner, or a moderator will have to step in and sort things out. Either way, a new title will be chosen, which means the page will have to be moved and everything having to do with the trope will have to be updated accordingly. See Administrivia/HowToMoveAPage for instructions on how to go about that.


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Once the alternative titles crowner has stabilized, again, either discussion will die down with everyone accepting the winner, or a moderator will have to step in and sort things out. Either way, a new title will be chosen, which means the page will have to be moved and everything having to do with the trope will have to be updated accordingly. See Administrivia/HowToMoveAPage Only a moderator can move a trope page; you should press the [[http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/error.png Holler Button]] in the thread where the rename was discussed and post a request for instructions a moderator to move the page. Of course, if the page is to be moved to a place not in the Main/ namespace, then you can simply apply the guidance on how Administrivia/HowToMoveAPage. After the page has been moved, you'll have to go about that.

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24th Jan '16 12:29:56 PM SeptimusHeap
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* If a trope '''has the same title as a work of fiction''', except if that title is a common established term for that trope.



* If a trope was '''launched prematurely''' from YKTTW before consensus was reached about a title and a description, it should probably get sent right back.


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* If a trope was '''launched prematurely''' from YKTTW before consensus was reached about a title and a description, it should probably get sent right back.


10th Dec '15 10:49:45 AM rjd1922
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* '''Trope Names that are Spoilers'''. Not only is this now considered FanMyopia, it can ruin someone's enjoyment of a work. A good example of this would be the now renamed "Instrumentality", a massive spoiler for ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion''. The trope was renamed to "Assimilation Plot", a title that doesn't spoil the work. As of this writing, there have been three other tropes renamed because of spoilers, "The Usual Suspects Ending", a spoiler for ''Film/TheUsualSuspects'', now known as "The Ending Changes Everything", "Thirty Five Minutes Ago", a spoiler for ''ComicBook/{{Watchmen}}'', now known as "You Are Too Late" and "I Am John Smith", associated with spoilers from the ''LightNovel/HaruhiSuzumiya'' series, now known as "Trust Password".

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* '''Trope Names that are Spoilers'''. Not only is this now considered FanMyopia, it can ruin someone's enjoyment of a work. A good example of this would be the now renamed "Instrumentality", a massive spoiler for ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion''. The trope was renamed to "Assimilation Plot", "AssimilationPlot", a title that doesn't spoil the work. As of this writing, there have been three other tropes renamed because of spoilers, "The Usual Suspects Ending", a spoiler for ''Film/TheUsualSuspects'', now known as "The Ending Changes Everything", "TheEndingChangesEverything", "Thirty Five Minutes Ago", a spoiler for ''ComicBook/{{Watchmen}}'', now known as "You Are Too Late" "YouAreTooLate" and "I Am John Smith", associated with spoilers from the ''LightNovel/HaruhiSuzumiya'' series, now known as "Trust Password"."TrustPassword".
6th Mar '15 3:38:01 AM Morgenthaler
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* '''Trope Names that are Spoilers'''. Not only is this now considered FanMyopia, it can ruin someone's enjoyment of a work. A good example of this would be the now renamed "Instrumentality", a massive spoiler for ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion''. The trope was renamed to "Assimilation Plot", a title that doesn't spoil the work. As of this writing, there have been three other tropes renamed because of spoilers, "The Usual Suspects Ending", a spoiler for TheUsualSuspects, now known as "The Ending Changes Everything", "Thirty Five Minutes Ago", a spoiler for ComicBook/{{Watchmen}}, now known as "You Are Too Late" and "I Am John Smith", associated with spoilers from the LightNovel/HaruhiSuzumiya series, now known as "Trust Password".

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* '''Trope Names that are Spoilers'''. Not only is this now considered FanMyopia, it can ruin someone's enjoyment of a work. A good example of this would be the now renamed "Instrumentality", a massive spoiler for ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion''. The trope was renamed to "Assimilation Plot", a title that doesn't spoil the work. As of this writing, there have been three other tropes renamed because of spoilers, "The Usual Suspects Ending", a spoiler for TheUsualSuspects, ''Film/TheUsualSuspects'', now known as "The Ending Changes Everything", "Thirty Five Minutes Ago", a spoiler for ComicBook/{{Watchmen}}, ''ComicBook/{{Watchmen}}'', now known as "You Are Too Late" and "I Am John Smith", associated with spoilers from the LightNovel/HaruhiSuzumiya ''LightNovel/HaruhiSuzumiya'' series, now known as "Trust Password".
5th Jan '15 2:26:47 AM Patachou
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* '''"Trope" used as a placeholder word''' (e.g. "[[MoreTropesThanGod More [Tropes] Than God]]", "[[GonnaNeedMoreTrope Gonna Need More [Trope] ]]") is now deprecated, as it misuses the word "trope".

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* '''"Trope" used as a placeholder word''' (e.g. "[[MoreTropesThanGod More "More [Tropes] Than God]]", "[[GonnaNeedMoreTrope Gonna God", "Gonna Need More [Trope] ]]") ") is now deprecated, as it misuses the word "trope".
3rd Dec '14 8:54:10 AM crazysamaritan
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Note that the TropeRepairShop has a maximum number of active threads. We do this because when we didn't do this, we ended up with a huge backlog of threads which stalled via lack of consensus, progress or action. This means you might not be able to create your thread right away. Be patient. It's just something we all have to deal with.

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Note that the TropeRepairShop has Administrivia/TropeRepairShop is monitored, and new threads must be approved before anyone can make a maximum number of active threads. second post. We do this because when we didn't do this, we ended up with a huge backlog of threads which stalled via lack of consensus, progress or action. This means that unless you share good reasons why the page needs repair, the second post might not be able a mod explaining why it was sent to create your thread right away. Be patient. It's just something we all have to deal with.
the [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/conversations.php?topic=trsarchive Repair Shop Morgue.]]
1st May '14 2:41:23 PM HersheleOstropoler
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* The trope is suffering from '''disuse'''--as in, it has very few wicks or inbounds. This can be an indicator that the title is too obscure. Furthermore, the ''cost'' of renaming is drastically lower when the trope has low usage--because the trope isn't entrenched, hardly anyone will even notice it's renamed; the transition is seamless. It also takes much less time to do the actual legwork of renaming: a small handful of wicks might take five minutes to change, whereas a trope with 2000 wicks would take a large, concerted effort. (And even if we found tropers willing to do that much grunt work, there are [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/conversations.php?topic=shorties plenty of other projects]] that could better use those man-hours.)\\

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* The trope is suffering from '''disuse'''--as in, it has very few wicks or inbounds. This isn't an argument for renaming ''per se'' -- though it can be an indicator that the title is too obscure. Furthermore, obscure -- but it means the ''cost'' of renaming is drastically lower when than if the trope has low usage--because were widely used. Because the trope isn't entrenched, hardly anyone will even notice it's renamed; the transition is seamless. It also takes much less time to do the actual legwork of renaming: a small handful of wicks might take five minutes to change, whereas a trope with 2000 wicks would take a large, concerted effort. (And even if we found tropers willing to do that much grunt work, there are [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/conversations.php?topic=shorties plenty of other projects]] that could better use those man-hours.)\\
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