History ASongOfIceAndFire / TropesAToI

29th Aug '16 12:23:01 AM Tnoel
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* AssholeVictim: [[spoiler: Joffery is poisoned by Olenna Tyrell and littlefinger and considering every terrible thing Joffery had done, you be hard pressed to find anyone that felt sorry for him.]]

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* AssholeVictim: [[spoiler: Joffery is poisoned by Olenna Tyrell and littlefinger Littlefinger and considering every terrible thing Joffery had done, you be hard pressed to find anyone that felt sorry for him.]]


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** [[spoiler: Craster is killed by several Mutineers of the night watch. Craster is hardly a sympathic victim when you consider his rude unpleasant behavior which is the least worst thing about him about him considering he forces his daughters incestuous relationships with him and sacrifices his infant sons to the others]]
28th Aug '16 11:55:37 PM Tnoel
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*AssholeVictim: [[spoiler: Joffery is poisoned by Olenna Tyrell and littlefinger and considering every terrible thing Joffery had done, you be hard pressed to find anyone that felt sorry for him.]]
**[[spoiler: Tywin Lannister is killed in cold blood by his own son Tyrion. Tywin also constantly verbally abused Tyrion his whole life and in general Tywin was a cold, cruel Jerkass.]]
** Ramsay brutally tortures Theon turning him into TheWoobie. Regardless Theon did double cross the Starks and attacked winterfell where at one point he killed two children to try and cover his own ass when the Stark children escaped.
28th Aug '16 6:00:50 AM cherrychels
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** Jon Snow is mockingly dubbed "Lord Snow" by TheNicknamer [[DrillSergeantNasty Alliser Thorne]], because he's the son of one of the most powerful men in Westeros and was raised by his father in a castle with a privileged upbringing, but as both a bastard and a sworn Watchman, he can never inherit any lands or titles. Later, [[spoiler:it loses its irony when he becomes Lord Commander of the Night's Watch.]]

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** Jon Snow is mockingly dubbed "Lord Snow" by TheNicknamer [[DrillSergeantNasty Alliser Thorne]], because he's the son of one of the most powerful men in Westeros and was raised by his father in a castle with a privileged upbringing, but as both a bastard and a sworn Watchman, he can never inherit any of his father's lands or titles. Later, [[spoiler:it loses its irony when he becomes Lord Commander of the Night's Watch.]]
28th Aug '16 3:52:09 AM cherrychels
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** Downplayed with Mya Stone, who is aware of being King Robert's bastard. While she angsts about her baseborn birth making her unable to marry the minor lord she fell in love with, she's otherwise pretty happy about where she is.

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** Downplayed with Mya Stone, who is aware of being King Robert's bastard. bastard daughter. While she angsts about her baseborn birth making her unable to marry the minor lord she fell in love with, she's Mya is otherwise pretty happy about where she is.



** Roose Bolton and Ned Stark are both powerful northern lords with bastard sons. However, Roose's relationship with his bastard son, Ramsay Snow, is a dark counterpoint to Nedís relationship with his bastard snow, Jon Snow. Ned raised and loved Jon as one of his sons, bringing him up alongside his true born children, while Roose treated Ramsay poorly, completely disinherited him, and only acknowledged Ramsay once his true born son was killed because Ramsey was his only remaining offspring.

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** Roose Bolton and Ned Stark are both powerful northern lords with bastard sons. However, Roose's relationship with his bastard son, Ramsay Snow, is a dark counterpoint to Nedís relationship with his bastard snow, son, Jon Snow. Ned raised and loved Jon as one of his sons, bringing him up alongside his true born children, while Roose treated Ramsay poorly, completely disinherited him, and only acknowledged Ramsay once his true born son was killed because Ramsey was his only remaining offspring.
28th Aug '16 3:23:20 AM cherrychels
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** Jon Snow. Though he loves and is loved by his father and half-siblings and was raised alongside them, Jon grew up as an outsider among his legitimate family, especially by sort-of step-mom Catelyn. Partly because of his bitterness about this and for lack of better career options, he joins the Night's Watch in order to make a name for himself. [[spoiler: Notably, when offered legitimization and the chance to inherit Winterfell, he declines, claiming it belongs to Sansa]].
** Ramsay Snow goes to great lengths to prove to his father that he's just as sick a bastard as the rest of his family and deserving of the family name, including torturing, mutilating and brainwashing a family rival. It's implied he murdered his legitimate brother to get where he was, too.
** Downplayed with Mya Stone, who is aware of being King Robert's bastard. She angsts about her baseborn birth making her unable to marry the minor lord she fell in love with, but other than that she's pretty happy where she is.

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** Jon Snow. Though he loves and is loved by his father and half-siblings and was raised alongside them, Jon grew up as an outsider among his legitimate family, especially by sort-of step-mom Catelyn. Partly because of his bitterness about this and for lack of better career options, he joins the Night's Watch in order to make a name for himself. [[spoiler: Notably, when offered legitimization and the chance to inherit Winterfell, he declines, claiming it belongs to his sister, Sansa]].
** Ramsay Snow goes to great lengths to prove to his father that he's just as sick a bastard as the rest of his family and deserving of the family name, including torturing, mutilating and brainwashing a family rival. It's implied he murdered his legitimate brother to get where he was, was too.
** Downplayed with Mya Stone, who is aware of being King Robert's bastard. She While she angsts about her baseborn birth making her unable to marry the minor lord she fell in love with, but other than that she's otherwise pretty happy about where she is.
28th Aug '16 3:17:41 AM cherrychels
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** Though loved by his father and siblings and raised alongside them, Jon Snow grew up as an outsider among his legitimate family, especially by sort-of stepmom Catelyn. Partly because of his bitterness about this and for lack of better career options, he joins the Night's Watch in order to make a name for himself. [[spoiler: Notably, when offered legitimization and the chance to inherit Winterfell, he declines, claiming it belongs to Sansa]].

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** Jon Snow. Though he loves and is loved by his father and siblings half-siblings and was raised alongside them, Jon Snow grew up as an outsider among his legitimate family, especially by sort-of stepmom step-mom Catelyn. Partly because of his bitterness about this and for lack of better career options, he joins the Night's Watch in order to make a name for himself. [[spoiler: Notably, when offered legitimization and the chance to inherit Winterfell, he declines, claiming it belongs to Sansa]].
28th Aug '16 2:50:50 AM cherrychels
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** Roose and Ned are both powerful northern lords with bastard sons. However, Roose's relationship with his bastard son, Ramsay Snow, is a dark counterpoint to Nedís relationship with his bastard snow, Jon Snow. Ned raised and loved Jon as one of his sons, bringing him up alongside his true born children, while Roose treated Ramsay poorly, completely disinherited him, and only acknowledged Ramsay once his true born son was killed because Ramsey was his only remaining offspring.

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** Roose Bolton and Ned Stark are both powerful northern lords with bastard sons. However, Roose's relationship with his bastard son, Ramsay Snow, is a dark counterpoint to Nedís relationship with his bastard snow, Jon Snow. Ned raised and loved Jon as one of his sons, bringing him up alongside his true born children, while Roose treated Ramsay poorly, completely disinherited him, and only acknowledged Ramsay once his true born son was killed because Ramsey was his only remaining offspring.
28th Aug '16 2:47:28 AM cherrychels
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** Asha Greyjoy is an Ironwoman reaver. As the eldest daughter of a ruling family, she would traditionally be married off for political purposes and devote her life to producing children. Instead, she's such a good reaver that her father chose her as his heir, despite their deeply misogynistic culture. She often jokes that her battleaxe is her husband, and her dagger is her suckling babe.

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** Asha Greyjoy is an Ironwoman reaver. As the eldest daughter of a ruling family, she would traditionally be married off for political purposes and devote her life to producing children. Instead, she's such a good reaver that her father chose her as his heir, despite their deeply misogynistic culture. She often jokes that her battleaxe battle axe is her husband, and her dagger is her suckling babe.



* AppropriatedAppellation: Tyrion advises Jon Snow to take on the derisive labels people throw at him. "Wear it like armor, and it can never be used to hurt you." As it turns out, [[spoiler:Jon, derided as 'Lord Snow' for his being brought up in a castle and acting above his fellow recruits starting out, is actually made Lord Commander and gets to be addressed formally ''as'' Lord Snow]]. Other examples include "[[BlackSheep The Blackfish]]" Brynden Tully and "The Onion Knight" Davos Seaworth.

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* AppropriatedAppellation: Tyrion advises Jon Snow to take on the derisive labels people throw at him. "Wear it like armor, and it can never be used to hurt you." As it turns out, [[spoiler:Jon, derided as 'Lord Snow' for his being brought up in a castle with a young lord's education and acting above his fellow recruits starting out, is actually made Lord Commander and gets to be addressed formally ''as'' Lord Snow]]. Other examples include "[[BlackSheep The Blackfish]]" Brynden Tully and "The Onion Knight" Davos Seaworth.



** Jon Snow grew up as an outsider among his legitimate family, especially by sort-of stepmom Catelyn. Partly because of his bitterness about this and for lack of better career options, he joins the Night's Watch in order to make a name for himself. [[spoiler: Notably, when offered legitimization and the chance to inherit Winterfell, he declines, claiming it belongs to Sansa]].

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** Though loved by his father and siblings and raised alongside them, Jon Snow grew up as an outsider among his legitimate family, especially by sort-of stepmom Catelyn. Partly because of his bitterness about this and for lack of better career options, he joins the Night's Watch in order to make a name for himself. [[spoiler: Notably, when offered legitimization and the chance to inherit Winterfell, he declines, claiming it belongs to Sansa]].



** The Starks are the requisite inverted {{Foil}} to underscore the point. Their individual situations become all screwed up, but it has little to do with inherent failings and strains with the family bonds and everything to do with outside factors: even [[TheGloriousWarOfSisterlyRivalry Arya and Sansa]] do love each other under their cat fights. And, for all he may feel somewhat isolated, Jon Snow isn't left out, being more accepted than bastards generally are in Westeros.

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** The Starks are the requisite inverted {{Foil}} to underscore the point. Their individual situations become all screwed up, but it has little to do with inherent failings and strains with the family bonds and everything to do with outside factors: even [[TheGloriousWarOfSisterlyRivalry Arya and Sansa]] do love each other under their cat fights. And, for all he may feel somewhat isolated, Jon Snow isn't left out, being mutually loves and is loved by his father and siblings, and is more accepted than bastards generally are in Westeros.



** Lollys Stokeworth is fat and simple-minded, causing her to remain unwed at the age of 33 despite her mother's best efforts to find a match. It doesn't help when she's gangraped by dozens of rioters, leaving her pregnant and emotionally fragile. Finally she settles for [[spoiler:Bronn, who quickly works his position into a lordship by making Lollys's elder sister into a widow.]]

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** Lollys Stokeworth is fat and simple-minded, causing her to remain unwed at the age of 33 despite her mother's best efforts to find a match. It doesn't help when she's gangraped gang raped by dozens of rioters, leaving her pregnant and emotionally fragile. Finally she settles for [[spoiler:Bronn, who quickly works his position into a lordship by making Lollys's elder sister into a widow.]]



** Dragonglass is good only for killing white walkers; it does nothing to their undead footsoldiers. (Presumably, it works perfectly well against human beings, as obsidian, which can make for incredibly sharp if brittle blades, does in real life.)

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** Dragonglass is good only for killing white walkers; it does nothing to their undead footsoldiers.foot soldiers. (Presumably, it works perfectly well against human beings, as obsidian, which can make for incredibly sharp if brittle blades, does in real life.)



** Ramsay Snow and Jon Snow are both bastards. While Jon befriends most of his half-siblings, Ramsay kills his father's only legitimate heir. While Jon joins the Night's Watch in pursuit of honor, Ramsay [[spoiler:razes Winterfell, Jon's home]].

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** Ramsay Snow and Jon Snow are both bastards.bastard sons of powerful northern lords. While Jon befriends most of his half-siblings, Ramsay kills his father's only legitimate heir. While Jon joins the Night's Watch in pursuit of honor, Ramsay [[spoiler:razes Winterfell, Jon's home]].home]].
** Roose and Ned are both powerful northern lords with bastard sons. However, Roose's relationship with his bastard son, Ramsay Snow, is a dark counterpoint to Nedís relationship with his bastard snow, Jon Snow. Ned raised and loved Jon as one of his sons, bringing him up alongside his true born children, while Roose treated Ramsay poorly, completely disinherited him, and only acknowledged Ramsay once his true born son was killed because Ramsey was his only remaining offspring.



** Jon Snow is mockingly dubbed "Lord Snow" by TheNicknamer [[DrillSergeantNasty Alliser Thorne]], because he's the son of one of the most powerful men in Westeros, but as both a bastard and a sworn Watchman, he can never inherit any of it. Later, [[spoiler:it loses its irony when he becomes Lord Commander of the Night's Watch.]]

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** Jon Snow is mockingly dubbed "Lord Snow" by TheNicknamer [[DrillSergeantNasty Alliser Thorne]], because he's the son of one of the most powerful men in Westeros, Westeros and was raised by his father in a castle with a privileged upbringing, but as both a bastard and a sworn Watchman, he can never inherit any of it.lands or titles. Later, [[spoiler:it loses its irony when he becomes Lord Commander of the Night's Watch.]]
20th Aug '16 12:55:42 AM leraluna
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* EveryoneIsRelated: Most of the main characters are aristocrats whose families have been intermarrying for centuries. Robert Baratheon's ArchEnemy was also his second cousin, the Starks have distant cousins in various Vale families, many noble families in the Reach are related via Garth Greenhand, the Freys have marriage/blood ties to practically everyone, etc.
20th Aug '16 12:39:55 AM leraluna
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* CockFight: There was a non-heroic example of this long before the events of the book. Though she eventually married Eddard Stark, as a child Catelyn was betrothed to his older brother Brandon (who died in an unrelated incident) but was loved by a young Petyr Baelish (who would grow up to become the series premiere MagnificentBastard Littlefinger). This rivalry over Catelyn eventually led Petyr to challenge Brandon to a duel for Catelyn, where he got utterly [[CurbStompBattle curb stomped]]. The [[StartOfDarkness resulting effect on his character]] causes no end of problems for the whole of Westeros.
** Also in the back story is the cock fight to end all cock fights. Robert was rather understandably furious when Rhaegar kidnapped/eloped with Lyanna, his betrothed, which then sparked a ''war''. When Rhaegar and Robert finally met at the end of said war, they had an epic battle that Rhaegar fatally lost. Unfortunately for pretty much everyone, Lyanna died anyway.
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