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16th Jul '17 8:44:26 AM SpinAttaxx
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* ''Franchise/DragonBall''
** ''Anime/DragonBallZ'' did this in reverse: trying to build an evil android, Doctor Gero produced as many as eighteen androids which turned good (or, at least, insufficiently evil) before finally developing one that was irredeemably evil. (He then made ''himself'' into one, apparently on the grounds that he ''knew'' he wouldn't turn good.) Some of them were more Cyborgs than androids, though, and thus technically not A.I. (at least #18, #17, #8, and Gero himself as #20). #13, #14, and #15 turned out pretty evil, though they were made by the computer, and they were also movie villains, thus doomed to death after about an hour of use as a result.
** #8 (FrankensteinsMonster clone) in [[Manga/DragonBall the original series]] is created to be evil, but turns out to not [[GentleGiant want to hurt anyone.]]
** Hell, it's implied that Gero's latest androids (17-20) were all made either from human bases or as energy absorbing types because he ''couldn't'' make an artificial one out of perpetual energy that wouldn't do a HeelFaceTurn.
*** Not that making them from human bases worked [[LovableRogue #17 and #18]] both betrayed him in short order (in BOTH timelines!). At least #19 seemed to be pretty loyal before Vegeta killed him.
*** Although it's not really known for certain how loyal Cell would have been had Gero still been alive by the time of his awakening, Cell at least seems loyal to Gero's vision of himself and his purpose - a being of perfection that, as it happens, was made to kill Goku. That is, until a certain near-death experience drives him to creatively reinterpret his purpose as [[OmnicidalManiac proving his perfection by annihilating everything else]] - even then he frames it as Gero's true intentions all along. In the non-canon anime filler and Dragon Ball GT, Cell actually does remain allied to his creator in the afterlife.

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* ''Franchise/DragonBall''
** ''Anime/DragonBallZ'' did this in reverse:
''Franchise/DragonBall'': In trying to build an evil android, [[MadScientist Doctor Gero Gero]] produced as many as eighteen androids ''eighteen'', all of which turned good (or, at least, insufficiently evil) evil), before he finally developing developed one that worked as he intended.
** The first of these the audience sees is [[FrankensteinsMonster Android 8]] in the Red Ribbon Army arc (long before Gero himself appears), who
was irredeemably evil. (He then made ''himself'' into one, apparently on created to be evil, [[GentleGiant but turns out to not want to hurt anyone]].
** Android 16 was built to kill Goku following
the grounds Red Ribbon Army's defeat, but he turned out to be too gentle, and thus was a failure. Interestingly, this particular crapshoot was Gero's own doing -- [[ReplacementGoldfish 16 was based off of his deceased son]], and Gero deliberately gave him this so that he ''knew'' he wouldn't turn good.) Some of them were more Cyborgs than androids, though, risk being destroyed in battle, despite his incredible strength.
** Androids 17
and 18 are actually {{cyborg}}s, thus technically not A."A.I. (at least #18, #17, #8, " isn't exactly applicable to them. Nonetheless, despite programming them with the same order to kill Goku, they rebelled against him and Gero himself were switched off. Even attempts to fix this proved futile, as #20). #13, #14, and #15 turned out pretty evil, though the next time they were made by turned on, [[TheDogBitesBack Gero paid the computer, and they were also movie villains, thus doomed to death after about an hour of use as a result.
** #8 (FrankensteinsMonster clone) in [[Manga/DragonBall the original series]] is created to be evil, but turns out to not [[GentleGiant want to hurt anyone.]]
price]].
** Hell, it's implied that Gero's latest androids (17-20) were all made either from human bases or as energy absorbing types because he ''couldn't'' make an artificial one out of perpetual energy that wouldn't do a HeelFaceTurn.
*** Not
HeelFaceTurn. WordOfGod even suggests the difficulty of "personality control" was the reason for why he started to modify humans who were already bad as opposed to building Androids from scratch.
** All
that making them from human bases worked [[LovableRogue #17 said, he did make a few aversions:
*** Android 19 was the first Android Gero made that remained destructive, evil,
and #18]] both betrayed him in short order (in BOTH timelines!). At least #19 seemed to be pretty loyal before Vegeta killed him.
in equal measures. Gero himself remained a bastard once he became Android 20.
*** Although it's not really known for certain It's unknown how loyal Cell would have been had Gero still been alive by the time of his awakening, Cell at least but he seems loyal to Gero's vision of himself and his purpose - -- a being of perfection that, as it happens, was made to kill Goku. That is, until a certain near-death experience drives him to creatively reinterpret his purpose as [[OmnicidalManiac proving his perfection by annihilating everything else]] - -- even then then, he frames it as Gero's true intentions all along. In the non-canon anime filler and Dragon Ball GT, ''Anime/DragonBallGT'', Cell actually does remain allied to his creator in the afterlife.afterlife.
*** Androids 13, 14, and 15 from the NonSerialMovie ''Anime/DragonBallZSuperAndroid13'' also remain wicked and devoted to killing Goku, though Gero is dead by the time they're activated.
25th Jun '17 1:39:42 PM Gamermaster
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* In ''Anime/SaberMarionetteJ'', the computer of the ''Mesopotamia'' was created by Lorelei based on her own personality. [[spoiler: It went rogue because it ''[[LoveMakesYouEvil fell in love with Lorelei]]'', and imprisoned her in suspended animation for about tree centuries.]]

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* In ''Anime/SaberMarionetteJ'', the computer of the ''Mesopotamia'' was created by Lorelei based on her own personality. [[spoiler: It went rogue because it ''[[LoveMakesYouEvil fell in love with Lorelei]]'', and imprisoned her in suspended animation for about tree three centuries.]]
1st Jun '17 6:11:09 PM BattleMaster
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* Mostly averted in ''Manga/{{Pluto}}''. Even Brau 1589, the first known robot to kill a human, isn't an example. He didn't kill a human due to a malfunction or a programming bug. He did it because he wanted to do it. The authorities are deeply disturbed by the implications and keep Brau imprisoned rather than simply execute him so they can keep searching for the "error" that made Brau a killer.

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* Mostly averted in ''Manga/{{Pluto}}''. Even Brau 1589, the first known robot to kill a human, isn't an example. He didn't kill a human due to a malfunction or a programming bug. He did it because he wanted to do it. The authorities are deeply disturbed by the implications and keep Brau imprisoned rather than simply execute him so they can keep searching for the "error" that made Brau a killer.killer.
* Subverted in ''Anime/GhostInTheShellStandAloneComplex'': the Major is clearly worried that this trope is going to occur when she realizes that the Tachikomas have developed individuality, but instead it causes them to value their human friends in Section Nine to the point that they unhesitatingly will perform a HeroicSacrifice to save them. Twice.
11th Apr '17 12:35:08 PM SugarPrincess125
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* The Al-Zard system from ''Anime/FutureGPXCyberFormula SAGA'' was designed as an advanced navigation system for a race car, but its true purpose is to control the driver like a puppet, while the computer makes its own judgement and decides the best route for the driver.

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* The Al-Zard system from ''Anime/FutureGPXCyberFormula SAGA'' was designed as an advanced navigation system for a race car, but [[spoiler:but its true purpose is to control the driver like a puppet, while the computer makes its own judgement and decides the best route for the driver.]]
11th Jul '16 8:45:37 PM Doug86
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*** Not that making them from human bases worked [[LoveableRogue #17 and #18]] both betrayed him in short order (in BOTH timelines!). At least #19 seemed to be pretty loyal before Vegeta killed him.

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*** Not that making them from human bases worked [[LoveableRogue [[LovableRogue #17 and #18]] both betrayed him in short order (in BOTH timelines!). At least #19 seemed to be pretty loyal before Vegeta killed him.
1st May '16 9:28:01 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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* Leopard in ''Anime/SoraOKakeruShoujo''. He's a little unhinged, acting closer to a wacky harem lead than any sort of computer A.I. Then you get to Nerval, who's actually evil. [[spoiler:[[WellIntentionedExtremist Or so we're lead to think.]] And ''then'' we get to one who is actually evil Leopard's SplitPersonality.]]

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* Leopard in ''Anime/SoraOKakeruShoujo''.''Anime/TheGirlWhoLeaptThroughSpace''. He's a little unhinged, acting closer to a wacky harem lead than any sort of computer A.I. Then you get to Nerval, who's actually evil. [[spoiler:[[WellIntentionedExtremist Or so we're lead to think.]] And ''then'' we get to one who is actually evil Leopard's SplitPersonality.]]
22nd Sep '15 1:08:23 AM M84
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* In ''Anime/SaberMarionetteJ'', the computer of the ''Mesopotamia'' was created by Lorelei based on her own personality. [[spoiler: It went rogue because it ''[[LoveMakesYouEvil fell in love with Lorelei]]'', and imprisoned her in suspended animation for about tree centuries.]]

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* In ''Anime/SaberMarionetteJ'', the computer of the ''Mesopotamia'' was created by Lorelei based on her own personality. [[spoiler: It went rogue because it ''[[LoveMakesYouEvil fell in love with Lorelei]]'', and imprisoned her in suspended animation for about tree centuries.]]]]
* Mostly averted in ''Manga/{{Pluto}}''. Even Brau 1589, the first known robot to kill a human, isn't an example. He didn't kill a human due to a malfunction or a programming bug. He did it because he wanted to do it. The authorities are deeply disturbed by the implications and keep Brau imprisoned rather than simply execute him so they can keep searching for the "error" that made Brau a killer.
1st Sep '15 9:40:40 AM RainFairy
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* In ''Manga/{{Cyborg 009}},'' an almighty super-computer named "Sphynx" just happens to have the memories of one of its creators, a deceased young man with quite the Theatre/OedipusRex complex. Predictably, he/it turns into a StalkerWithACrush as soon as he met Francoise, aka 003, the Cyborg Team's TeamMom.

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* In ''Manga/{{Cyborg 009}},'' an almighty super-computer named "Sphynx" just happens to have the memories of one of its creators, Carl Eckermann, a deceased dead young man with quite the Theatre/OedipusRex complex. OedipusComplex after his mother's death when he was a child. Predictably, he/it turns into a StalkerWithACrush as soon as he met Francoise, Francoise aka 003, the Cyborg Team's TeamMom.TeamMom, a beautiful girl who is said to be a dead ringer for the long-deceased Mrs. Ackermann.



* In ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion'', the MAGI as a whole avert this trope. They are based on the three sides of the personality of their creator Naoko Akagi. They never turn good or evil, per se...they just follow the commands given to them, like a real computer. Their intelligence never results in an independent thinking personality that we see, except in ''End of Evangelion'', after Naoko's daugther Ritsuko uses a opportunity to program them with secret instructions of her own to screw up Gendo's plan. One of them turns against her and vetoes her measure.

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* In ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion'', the MAGI as a whole avert this trope. They are based on the three sides of the personality of their creator Naoko Akagi. They never turn good or evil, per se...they just follow the commands given to them, like a real computer. Their intelligence never results in an independent thinking personality that we see, personality, except in ''End of Evangelion'', after Naoko's daugther Ritsuko uses a opportunity to program them with secret instructions of her own to screw up Gendo's plan. One of them turns against her and vetoes her measure.



** For a little more explanation: the three sides are Naoko the scientist, Naoko the mother, and Naoko the woman. Casper represented the woman. Naoko was Gendo's lover.
* Sharon Apple from ''Anime/MacrossPlus''. Designed as an artificial idol singer, the project was originally a complete flop and only seemed convincingly sentient with a human to interface with her. However, after an illegal fix-up that involved her human "pilot's" personality being copied into her, she immediately went insane, brainwashed everybody on Earth, and tried to go after the man her human component was in love with. While a fitting example, Sharon Apple tends to skirt around the edges of this trope in that she was made a true A.I. by the installation of a processor chip that is actually banned from use. The reason it is banned? Because it 100% of the time results in an A.I. with an uncontrollable self-preservation instinct. She didn't so much go rogue as behave exactly how she should have once said chip was installed. The mistake was her idiot manager installing the thing in the first place.
** And because the chip used the same military technology as the new experimental unmanned fighter, it allowed Sharon to control it.

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** For a little more explanation: the three sides are Naoko the scientist, Naoko the mother, and Naoko the woman. Casper represented the woman. Naoko once was Gendo's lover.
lover [[spoiler: and so was Ritsuko.]]
* Sharon Apple from ''Anime/MacrossPlus''. Designed as an artificial idol singer, the project was originally a complete flop and only seemed convincingly sentient with a human to interface with her. However, after an illegal fix-up that involved her human "pilot's" "pilot" Myung Fan-Lone's personality being copied into her, she immediately went insane, brainwashed everybody on Earth, and tried to go after the man her human component Myung was in love with.with: Isamu Dyson, TheHero. While a fitting example, Sharon Apple tends to skirt around the edges of this trope in that she was made a true A.I. by the installation of a processor chip that is actually banned from use. The reason it is banned? Because it 100% of the time results in an A.I. with an uncontrollable self-preservation instinct. She didn't so much go rogue as behave exactly how she should have once said chip was installed. The mistake was her idiot manager installing the thing in the first place.
** And because the chip used the same military technology as the new experimental unmanned fighter, it allowed Sharon to control it. [[spoiler: And ultimately take control over Isamu's Valkyrie. Myung manages to break the link, giving Isamu the chance to fight back, but ''barely''.]]
1st Jul '15 5:42:25 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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* [[HumongousMecha Stryker]] of ''Anime/SuiseiNoGargantia'' subverts this in a quite surprising way: her pilot [[GodGuise sets her up as]] [[CargoShip the god figure of a]] ReligionOfEvil, using the threat of lethal force and ritual mass-executions of the weak and sick to keep her human minions in line. When said pilot dies, the AI keeps his death a secret and poses as him whenever needed to maintain the system of control. She genuinely believes that [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans her actions benefit humanity by providing a strong and stable banner to rally under]], even going so far as to suggest that [[TheEvilsOfFreeWill humanity cannot prosper as long as they have free will, hence why she pressures them into relinquishing it]]. The subversion comes when another AI points out that while her logic ''does'' compute, she shouldn't have been able to come to this conclusion on her own.

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* [[HumongousMecha Stryker]] of ''Anime/SuiseiNoGargantia'' ''Anime/GargantiaOnTheVerdurousPlanet'' subverts this in a quite surprising way: her pilot [[GodGuise sets her up as]] [[CargoShip the god figure of a]] ReligionOfEvil, using the threat of lethal force and ritual mass-executions of the weak and sick to keep her human minions in line. When said pilot dies, the AI keeps his death a secret and poses as him whenever needed to maintain the system of control. She genuinely believes that [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans her actions benefit humanity by providing a strong and stable banner to rally under]], even going so far as to suggest that [[TheEvilsOfFreeWill humanity cannot prosper as long as they have free will, hence why she pressures them into relinquishing it]]. The subversion comes when another AI points out that while her logic ''does'' compute, she shouldn't have been able to come to this conclusion on her own.
29th Jun '15 4:16:41 PM Kageryushin
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**** Although it's not really known for certain how loyal Cell would have been had Gero still been alive by the time of his awakening, Cell at least seems loyal to Gero's vision of himself and his purpose - a being of perfection that, as it happens, was made to kill Goku. That is, until a certain near-death experience drives him to creatively reinterpret his purpose as proving his perfection by annihilating everything else. In the non-canon anime filler and Dragon Ball GT, Cell actually does remain allied to his creator in the afterlife.

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**** Although it's not really known for certain how loyal Cell would have been had Gero still been alive by the time of his awakening, Cell at least seems loyal to Gero's vision of himself and his purpose - a being of perfection that, as it happens, was made to kill Goku. That is, until a certain near-death experience drives him to creatively reinterpret his purpose as [[OmnicidalManiac proving his perfection by annihilating everything else.else]] - even then he frames it as Gero's true intentions all along. In the non-canon anime filler and Dragon Ball GT, Cell actually does remain allied to his creator in the afterlife.
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