This is discussion archived from a time before the current discussion method was installed.
Working Title: Villainous Harlequin: From YKTTW
Anonymous Mc Cartneyfan
: The distinction between Played for Laughs
and Played for Drama
is respected elsewhere. We have both Crapsack World
and World Half Empty
, both Chew Toy
and The Woobie
... Monster Clown
is High Octane Nightmare Fuel
. Villainous Harlequin
is just ordinary, accidental, Nightmare Fuel
. Compare Jack Nicholson's Joker to Cesar Romero's.
Bring The Noise
: I'm with Anonymous Mc Cartneyfan
, although some of the examples have been misfiled.
: I think the distinction is useful, but the examples need to be sorted better.
Frodo Goofball Co TV
: IMHO, A Monster Clown
ideally should be a Complete Monster
, the whole point of their crimes is to laugh at the tradgedy of others. A Villainous Harlequin
should be something of an Anti-Villain
, who is at least occasionally closer to an Ineffectual Sympathetic Villain
than a civilization - threatening supervillain.
: Cutlisted again, as there is no point nor precedent for spliting a motif based character type based on viewer reaction. Almost all examples are duplicates, pointless subjectivity is introduced and the majority of referances to this trope assume it means 'a villain in a jester/harlequin costume'.
And cutting opposed again. There's a thread
discussing this trope in the forums. If examples are crossing over, then remove them from which ever one they're a bad example of.