This is discussion archived from a time before the current discussion method was installed.
Seth: Should we set up a Twin Tropes index?
Citizen: I'm not sure this deserves to be separate from Brother–Sister Incest. I'd much rather rename Brother–Sister Incest as just Sibling Incest, and move this into that as a special case. Thoughts?
Jisu: I'd agree, but look at the fandom — siscon and twincest squealing are two entirely different things. Different fanbases, different motivations...
Seth: I Agree with Jisu but hold no strong feelings. As a trope it could stand to be merged with a bit on Brother–Sister Incest about Twins being a step further. Just a lumper vs splitter debate.
Citizen: Is yaoi really the main focus of this trope? I guess I wasn't really expecting that, but if you insist, alright then.
Jisu: It's not the main focus, but it's still overwhelmingly common.
Citizen: Damn those yaoi fangirls. =P
Jisu: Oh yes.
Seth: Hey leave them alone. There are plenty of guys who like the idea of sister on sister action (I just find it Squicky).
Scientivore: I find this one sentence confusing:
- Kouji and Kouichi from Digimon Frontier and, to a lesser extent (but still plausible... we're talking one of the most messed-up fandoms in recent memory in regards to who they pair up) Ai and Makoto from Digimon Tamers fall into this.
fleb: Cut the hotlink Weasley twins image, http://users.rcn.com/mindset/wank/twincest.jpg . It's not even loading now, which is why hotlinks are such a bad idea.
Rogue 7: Image loaded with the media uploader and replaced.
Is there a source for this claim? "An old Japanese myth says that if two star-crossed lovers commit dual suicide, they get reincarnated as twins. This may be one of the factors in the frequency of Twincest stories in anime."
whoiam: Where did Nero and Weiss appear in FF 7? I've never heard of them before (in that game at least)
Morven: Could we, like, decide on a photo and stick with it in here? IMO, none of the ones used has been great. The Weasley Twins one is funny, and apropos of the fanfic that's occurred concerning them, but it's not actually an example. The two examples people have put up have been pretty bad screencaps, dark and indistinct. Surely there's got to be a better somewhere?
Alexlayer: Personally, I believe the Candy Boy pic is better than the Black Lagoon pic, for several reasons:
- The caption was better "composed" due to many links, which sorta makes it funny.
- Candy Boy focuses around the topic of Twincest.
- The other pic is too dark in my opinion.
As the troper who uploaded the previous Candy Boy pic I have to say I love and approve of the new onem thanks to whoever upped that one.
Man Without A Body: I liked the Weasley one better. It was nicely condemnatory.
Nightraid: I preferred the Candy Boy pic used before the current picture, precisely because the current one is so condemnatory. yes, twincest can be quite squicky, but a wiki page shouldnt try to force a opinion upon the people who read it. I suggest we restore the last pic and caption used and leave it at that. I´d hate to see this page erupt into a edit war, especially since the subject discussed here is delicate enough allready.
Alexlayer: And that sounds good enough reason for me to change it back.
If it's ever revealed that Ben and Gwen are Luke and Leia(sooo many parallels), they would certainly fall into this trope. As is, they're already day twins, technically(if they were born at the exact same time on the same day, they'd be time twins).
Morven: I'm unsure about the recent addition of Cyteen by CJ Cherryh. I've read the book a number of times and do not recall Justin and Grant being twins. The way I recall it, Justin is a clone of his father, Jordan, while Grant is the clone of another Special-level genius but with genetic modification to his appearance to ensure nobody knows whose clone he is. It is, I'm pretty sure, not revealed in the book just whose clone he is; one presumes someone else that, like Jordan, Ariane Emory wants the talent of but in a more compliant wrapper that she influenced. Unless this is all revealed in the 2009 sequel, which I haven't read; it's certainly not in the original. Justin and Grant are raised kind-of as brothers, but I don't think they're twins.
I'll probably remove this entry in a few weeks without justification, and I'll re-check through Cyteen myself to see if I missed anything.
Prefers to Remain Anonymous: Hypothetical question here. What constitutes incestuous sex? If, in a purely hypothetical scenario, one were aware of a video that shows a pair of female twins on either side of a double-headed dildo — with it being thrusted by a third person, holding the middle, would that constitute an incestuous sex act?
Morven: I don't see the utility in defining precisely what 'sex' is in this context. Grey-area cases are probably worth mentioning too. What this question, more generalized, seems to be asking is whether if two people are involved in the same threesome (or N-some) are they considered as having had sex with each other automatically, or whether it requires direct contact? Which seems only to be a concern if one is trying to get really close to a line without going over it, seems to me.
Morven: Ahh, now I see the point of the question. And my opinion remains the same; close also counts, when there aren't many examples.
Spider: Regarding Jaime and Cersei Lannister in George R.R. Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire, their incestuous relationship is revealed within the first 100 pages of the first book, so I took the spoiler tags off that fact.
Should the Devil May Cry example be here or not? Metal Gear Solid gets a pass because the series likes to fool around with the various forms of 'yay, but there's no indication that anything sexual was ever intended between Vergil and Dante, or even considered. Is the trope only for intentional twincest?
Alexlayer: I really don't think its just for intentional twincest, at least, it doesn't give me that impression. But the thing is, sometimes it just take someone to get that impression, even if it was unintentional, for it to be worth mentioning. And while I don't share any interest for the Dante/Vergil pairing, I've heard around saying something about Vergil stabbing Dante with Yamato looking... particularly symbolic
Pichu-kun: The new picture. Why was it changed?
