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Ununnilium: I was looking at Pinky Swear and I was thinking. We need a trope for writers who attempt to include "kid stuff" in their shows, but end up being decades out of date.

Dark Sasami: Totally Radical.

Ununnilium: Perfect.

Ununnilium: We don't need a line telling us what's in the banner ad when we can click it and see for ourselves.

fleb: Except for how banner ads change all the time. What was the joke?

Ununnilium: Do we have a trope for "future slang"? Especially the kind where people go "Gallopin' galaxies!" at the drop of a hat.

Tabby: 'A few' characters in Kim Possible? I'll give you Motor Ed, but I can't think of any others. thatother1dude: there was the time Drakken tried to learn some when he planned to make a brain-washed army of college students (the golden years and said college students [and many other background characters])

Ununnilium: Why take out the bit about the safety padding? That's really the icing on the cake.

thatother1dude: can we find a way to put in this one from Superdickery? (new link: [1])

Willy Four Eyes: Yes...that Super Dickery comic example is boss. (Do people even use that word anymore for what I think it means?)
arromdee: removed this:

  • It IS possible to have groups of friends where no weeaboos are directly within the immediate circle of friends. This line of thought does make this editor LOL at the thought of the Buffy cast tracking lonely attention-seeking demons and thirsty vampires through Myspace meets the way child groomers do, however.

The point is that the characters on Buffy make a lot of references to popular culture, but almost nothing that wasn't popular in the 1980's. Manga is an example not because it's Japanese, but because the manga boom only started around 2000.

Ununnilium: Conversation in the Main Page rundown:

  • Are you talking about one of those "black squirrels" commercials?

    • This troper would argue Sony has clearly shown time and time again that it does hate its European and Australasian customers.

    • Actually... some of us do say it, occasionally.
    • I refrain from typing it and I still use vocal forms of lol. A friend even uses "roflmao".
    • I never, ever type it (I despise "txtspk"), but I use the vocal form as an ironic expression: when I know something should be funny but it's not actually funny enough to make me laugh.
    • My sister (who epitomises "typical modern teenage girl") says LOL, along with several other chatspeak acronyms and the occasional piece of cat-macro grammar. I find it highly annoying.
    • This troper and his friends say BRB, LOL, and OMG quite often - though none as often as "WTF?" (An added "mate" at the end is optional.)

  • But is it actually slang for anything? This editor's got suspicions this may have been subtle product placement. If by subtle you mean a 200-foot fireball in the middle of dry grassy plains. Coney Island, anyone?
    • This Troper points out that the Sonic restaurant chain was known for its chili dogs.

  • This troper thinks some of the writing in Juno qualifies. He has never heard the phrase "honest-to-blog" anywhere else, and it just sounds like it is trying really too hard.
    • Whereas I thought it qualified more as Buffy Speak. Seriously, you don't think "honest-to-blog" is funny?

      • Answer: In their mom's basement. Zing!

  • Subverted somewhat in Persona 3. The game is meant to be set a few years in the future in the future (2009-10) and the highschool students both say and carry out behaviours which seem acceptable by todays standards. However, we have no way of knowing if those social patterns will indeed be the norm in a few years time.

That's not a subversion; that's not even an aversion. It's just not this trope.

  • Probably back in the lower grades where they belong; Buffy started in 1997, well before the manga craze hit. The Scoobies are too old for that one.

Thank you, missing the point (with Conversation in the Main Page). The point is not the lack of this one specific type of recent pop culture, it's the lack of recent pop culture in general.

Later later:
  • Volkswagon's horrible but thankfully short-lived hip-hop update of Sprockets-type Germans. Veee duuuhhhhb in da haus!
    • This Troper assumed that they were tongue-in-cheek parodies of this sort of thing. I mean, come on, there is no bloody way that anyone could take those seriously. I found them quite funny, and paraphrasing them became a running joke in my family for a while afterwards.

Self-defeating, Conversation in the Main Page, and the link isn't right.

Tanto: I will hear no criticisms of Waylon. He's awesome, brother-man.

  • This troper always assumed that was meant as more of a parody.

  1. Conversation in the Main Page. (Seriously, does anyone actually read that page? @@)
  2. It seems like just a straight example of the trope to me.

Steel Beast 6 Beets: I can understand the bit about Seifer's quote, strangely absent in Kingdom Hearts Final Mix+ I might add, but... Why does this trope have to do with Xiggy's awesome accent? I mean, he's everyone's favourite pirate ninja surfer!
Epiblast: I noticed this:

"White Men Can't Jump, a video game for the Atari Jaguar based on the movie of the same name, is notorious for playing this trope terribly straight.

  • "Bangin' up high the handle homey beef"
  • "Down Street on the flipflop timepants""

Both of these phrases are from Seanbaby's scathing review of the game. Now, I haven't played the game so I don't know for sure, but I thought he was using these phrases as comical exaggeration of what was said in the game, not as literal examples of what was said. Is there anyone here who's actually played that game who can clarify this?

Ununnilium: Pulling those out:
  • "Bangin' up high the handle homey beef"
  • "Down Street on the flipflop timepants"

  • Not necessarily misdirected... People do tend to use sexual desirability as a figurative stand in for very high levels of material desirability. Take, for instance, the proclamation that a Porsche is a "very sexy car."

Conversation in the Main Page. And yes, calling desirable things "sexy", but you wouldn't say "I would have sex with that Porsche", which is basically what the ad is saying.

  • Actually, this is an example of inadvertent Getting Crap Past the Radar; the advertiser who wrote the copy submitted it as a joke - one his supervisors didn't get.
    • Either that or a very clever viral ad. I mean, it's on here for free, and probably other sites as well.

Is it an example of the former? Got any proof?

  • Comics have always tended to be a few years behind in pop cultural developments, as seen in Marvel's introduction of the Dazzler, a character based on the '70s disco craze, in 1980. One of the sillier incarnations of DC's Justice League of America introduced Vibe, a character with "moonwalking" dance steps a few years after that craze had run its course (And who spoke in a thick-enough-to-slice Ethnic Scrappy accent for good measure).

This is Fad Super, which has both characters already.

And Xigbar's California surfer accent.
  • This troper was under the impression that Xigbar's accent was meant as a nod to the fact that he's a gunslinger. It's a Western accent? Wild West? So Yeah. is it Western or Californian?

  • This troper now feels slightly embarrassed as he often uses "bad hair day" in the more general sense.
  • That sounds less like saying Mary had a bad hair day, and more like Mary being astounded that girls feel bad hair makes a bad day, not giving birth to Jesus in a filthy barn while everyone stares at you.

  • ...Well crap. ZOMFG is practically this editor's catchphrase- and I'm 16!
  • This troper says "Oh Noes!" all the time. Generally only around other nerds or when someone is worried about something minor.

  • This troper, in mitagation, would like to admit that she and her friends speak rather like that in real life (sometimes ironically, sometimes it just slips out), and it was one of her favourite things about the film.

This next point doesn't have much to do with this trope, but the site's icon is a close-up of "Skeet"'s mustache.
  • Upon clicking on the above link, this Troper literally burst into crying laughter... In the middle of a public library, no less. It seems that they got it completely wrong... (The FAQ page is even better.)
  • To be fair, Objective Ministries is a Stealth Parody, in the same vein as Landover Baptist. Still leaving the example in, though, because it's a brilliant example of using this trope on purpose...
    • Curse this troper's Genre Blindness! In all honesty, he should've caught on when a different part of the site gave a blow-by-blow account of an expedition to find an Apatosaur (all this to disprove Darwinian evolution)...which involves an atheist conspiracy against them and them finding a dinosaur, complete with a photo whose quality reduces it to meaninglessness.

  • This troper has a theory that every generation has a new slang word for "cool" that is normally considered negative. When he was a child, cool things were "deadly", "wicked" or "bad"; as a teenager, they were "stupid" or "dope", then they became "sick". This troper almost sold his younger friends on adopting the word "terminal".

More Conversation in the Main Page. The theory makes sense, mind.

Ununnilium: Also, pulling out all Buffy Speak examples:
  • Kim Possible dealt with this by inventing entirely new slang for Kim and Ron, which ironically sounds more real than out-of-date real slang.
    • ...but still threw in a few characters (such as Motor Ed) who speak in out-of-date slang for comic effect.
  • Amy of Futurama also makes liberal use of made-up slang.
  • Batman Beyond is yet another example of a show featuring teens using made-up slang. In this case, the reason was that series took place in a futuristic society, and compared to most, it wasn't half-bad.
  • Nadset, a Future Slang made of a combination of Russian, Cockney rhyming slang, and Early modern english, is used by Anthony Burgess in A Clockwork Orange to give his world a more futuristic feel, as well as part of his social commentary, and to prevent the slang from becoming dated.

Leaving in the actual Buffy example, though.
  • Moocow1452: No mention of the Totally Rad Show? I'm unimpressed, Tropers.

fleb: Wow, where is that image from? (page history credits "07/10/08 at 04:56 PM by nlpnt") fleb: Well I wasn't paying attention apparently. Right in the Real Life section, it mentions it's a photo taken from a now-gone Flickr posting. Only other reference to it, besides this page, that I can find via Google is in the last comment on this Flickr photo.
We can only pray it was made in irony.
  • nlpnt: I cropped it slightly to put it here, but that was just pins and a bit of wall. I never did get enough context to tell whether it was real or not, just that it seemed perfect for this page.

Rewichan: I'd just like to state that it's one of the most genuinely funny things I've ever seen, intentionally or not.

Anyone else find it ironic that this page uses the word "tween", something no young person would be caught dead saying?

Governor Jerry Brown: Heya. I'd like to propose replacing the Beach Blanket Bingo quote at the beginning of this page with something a bit more colorful:

“Dude-ass! I've totally had the wrong idea about this band for like totally wickedass bone-wig forblinkityblankever, Mahagoney Belchfaxer!

Look, it's no fun to be old and out of touch with current slang. You young people will understand one day. And then you'll pay. You'll ALL pay.” —Mark Prindle, Mark's Record Reviews

If nobody likes that one as much, I'd be happy to stick it in the Quotes Wiki ghetto, but I do think that it's a better and more entertaining one than the one that's already there.