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Describe The Obi Wan Discussion here.

Is the father in Six Feet Under really an Obi-Wan? He doesn't exactly pass on much before he dies, certainly not on-camera, at least. I'd describe him merely as Spirit Advisor.

Jordan: I wonder if it's true that the example given is the only subversion- aren't trickster mentors or mentor moles a subversion of the Obi Wan- for instance, Lliam Nielsen's character in Batman Begins seems a lot like an Obi Wan at first.

Ununnilium: This is a good point. Going over to the really-needs-a-new-name Mentor Mole to add that.

Phinoix Whight has this with his mentor who gets killed at the begginging of his second case, but he meets her sister who is a spirit medium.


Shay Guy: Regarding the TTGL note...this is the sorta thing that annoys me about the spoiler thing, because the tag is practically useless. Anyone who's seen even episode 1 - or hell, has even heard of the character in question - can guess who it is.

/me continues to await the Semantic Web


Charred Knight: I don't know where this new fad of just striking out some thing wrong is but its annoying, just delete the thing that is wrong. In case you want to know he re-opens his tea shop
  • At this point the event of him dying is almost assured, now we're just haggling over how it'll be done.


Removed Giles as an example since he's a mentor who isn't faster or stronger than the protagonist, who doesn't die. Hardly a stellar example of the trope, also some conversation.

  • Rupert Giles on "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" is a classic example, with the only major subversion being that he never dies. However, after season five, he stops being a regular, and he returns to England a few episodes into season six. He returns later on in several more episodes, but his absence still forces Buffy to lose her dependance on him, as he intended it would. Also, Giles is never actually more powerful than Buffy, only wiser and more learned.
    • Buffy the Vampire Slayer did a funny one-liner on this topic when the younger vampire Spike encounters the vampire who mentored him, Angel. On figuring out that Angel's switched sides, effectively betraying Spike, he gets rather angry.
    "You were my sire! You were my Yoda, man!"
    • The "sire" bit was changed later on when we learn that although Drusilla actually turned Spike into a vampire, it was Angel who turned him into a monster.
    • Angelus was technically Spike's grandsire, since he sired Drusilla after Mind Raping her.