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Looney Toons: I've never seen Rurouni Kenshin, but I'd be surprised if this trope didn't show up there. Can anyone confirm or deny?

Dark Sasami: For that matter, can anyone confirm or deny the existence of this trope in Dexter's Laboratory? I can't imagine it not having happened at some point.

Guy Smiley: I believe it happened in the 2003 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles series in a fight between Leonardo and the Shredder, but I don't know enough of the specifics of that situation to post it myself.

Sukeban: FWIW, this trope originates with chanbara (i.e. samurai) movies. You can see a nice example of it in the beginning of The Seven Samurai and (IIRC) the final duel in Tsubaki Sanjuro, to put two examples more or less widely known in the West.

Roland: Ah, but The Seven Samurai was, in turn, inspired by/greatly influenced by Spaghetti Westerns. I think this trope probably originates in Western draw-off gunfights.

Krypfto: Indeed; I was about to ask if a Single Stroke Battle with guns instead of swords was still a Single Stroke Battle.

Dr Dedman: Seven Samurai predates the Spaghetti Westerns by about 10 years, 1955 versus late 60s. Kurosawa had certainly seen plenty of American Westerns, but of the older style (John Ford was a favorite/influence). The idea of quick fights certainly is historical, Miyamoto Musashi's most famous duel was a one-blow affair (and he used a boat oar), so the idea is an old one. Seven Samurai was noted for the rough quality of much of the fighting (the opening duel excepted). The contemporary (50s) Samurai series (based on the life of Musashi would be a better "baseline" to see normal usage of the trope (Kurosawa liked to subvert tropes).

Contral: Yes, for the record, the Spaghetti Westerns were greatly influenced by the samurai films, not vice versa. I mean, hell, A Fistful of Dollars was a direct remake.

Dark Sasami: Travis Wells, I moved your example to Diagonal Cut, where it fits much better. Laughing after the cut and everything.

Surely a version of this is the stereotypical gunslinger showdown?

Dark Sasami: As discussed above, that seems related. But surely we have a trope for the High Noon showdown at the OK Corral? Don't we?

01d55: We do, and I've made the reference on the bottom of this page.

thesmoot: I'm not sure about this, but how does Kill Bill fit into this? Bill vs. Kiddo or (although it's after a big prelude) O-Ren Ishii vs Kiddo would seem to qualify. Does it?
  • Subverted in the first "Matrix" film- Neo and Agent Smith charge each other, firing, collide and drop to the ground each with a gun to the other's head- but they are both unharmed, and out of ammo.
I don't see how that's a subversion, or even an aversion. It's simply the absence of an example. Removing. —Document N
Dark Sasami: OK, you guys having an edit war between and ... W. T. F.
Susan Davis: Removed the following bit from the Truth in Television blurb:

Though such tactics weren't widespread because, well, parrying was invented for a reason reckless all-out attacks obviously maximize the probability of Mutual Kill.

...because many schools actually do teach precisely this, and accept ai uchi (Mutual Kill) as a reasonable outcome.