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Descrappification launched as Rescued From The Scrappy Heap Discussion: From YKTTW

Working Title: Descrappification: From YKTTW

Removed the reference to Admiral Daala. The fandom hates her even more since her reintroduction, largely because she goes from incompetent to complete Mary Sue. In fact, she's actually a victim of Shilling the Wesley, as all the heroes back her installment into a position she is totally unqualified for.

Ununnilium:

Daphne in the Scooby Doo movie may be an example too, she doesn't seem to be getting kidnapped nearly as much as she used to (her child self was utterly annoying as well IMO). Probably just big Character Development, though.

The movie's an Alternate Continuity.

Later:

This troper thinks that Wes was never The Scrappy on Angel, but conceeds that of all the characters at the time of his run on Buffy The Vampire Slayer, he was closest to The Scrappy.

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Also: Everyone I know who watches Ben 10 (which admittedly isn't many people) thinks that Gwen is one of the best parts of the show. Does that example really fit?

Ry Senkari: I love Gwen, but every time I tried to remove her from The Wesley article, people seemed to keep putting her back on. I don't think she's The Wesley, but apparently a lot of people do. So I decided to compromise and just add her Alien Force incarnation to this page, as I don't think anyone hates the new Gwen.

Ununnilium:

However, since Failure Is the Only Option, that doesn't make any difference whatsoever, as he stays the clumsy, outclasses, annoying, obnoxious generic epiphany character he was before, only in a less tacky jumpsuit. And yes, This Troper is a fan of the series, but considers to abandon it, since the anvilicious Uchiha Syndrome makes him do many a literal Wall Banger

Ow. Conplaining About Shows You Dont Like. (Plus, you should never link This Troper to a name.)

Unknown Troper: Sari Sumdac (and possibly the rest of the human characters from Transformers Animated) are a case of "dodged the Scrappy heap", but I can't figure out how to phrase it. Someone help?

Ununnilium:

"Ebony White"? Why didn't he just call him Ethnic Mc Ethnicpants?
Because he's not Scottish. Duh.

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Also, I don't think there should be any Real Life examples. This is about fictional characters and their reception by the fandom, not the actions of actual people.

Burnt Paper: Edited Nia out of this page because a character that isn't listed as a Scrappy can't be Rescued from the Scrappy Heap.

alliterator: Removed this (Warning: huge spoiler follows)

It's okay! She's comming back for the final!

Mainly because it's a huge ginormous spoiler.

Bytemite: Does anyone here care about Dollhouse? I was thinking that the character Topher seems to have intentionally been written as a Scrappy and a Smug Snake, but seems to be going through a character development phase depicting him actually as lonely, sympathetic, and more ethically conflicted about his job than he otherwise comes across as.

Richard AK: It seems to me that a lot of the examples from comics aren't Rescued from the Scrappy Heap so much as they are Took a Level in Badass. To wit:

# Geoff Johns does this continuously, with heroes too but especially with villains. Zoom, Sinestro, even the second Tattooed Man have all become ->legitimate threats.

* Unfortunately, when he tries to do it with heroes he likes, he sometimes ends up going too far and turning them into boring invincible heroes.

* Not to mention that Zoom isn't really a good example - this is the villain whose original incarnation "killed" the Flash's first wife, nearly ->killed his finance, and drove his protoge to the verge of insanity.

* Black Hand is a better one, he went From Nobody To Nightmare: from a no-one loser who was really just your typical "villain with similar ->powers" to a Dark Messiah Eldritch Abomination that likes to lick Batman's skull.

Zoom, Sinestro, the Tatooed Man, and the Black Hand weren't Scrappies. They may have been lame villains, although they weren't even that, since Sinestro was always Green Lantern's primary enemy, and was a pretty deadly one at that (he destroyed Kilowog's homeworld, and then for all intents and purposes destroyed the GL Corps too.) Zoom, well, it's already been said. Even the Black Hand was pretty dangerous too. They certainly weren't Scrappies though. Many of them were actually quite popular villains.

# Gail Simone is able to do this too; the only reason Black Canary is leading the Justice League Of America is because of the improvements on her character in Birds Of Prey.

* Chuck Dixon should get a good deal of that credit - he was the one who actually did the rescuing (Simone didn't start writing the series until over fifty issues in). Huntress' evolution, on the other hand, is 99% Simone.

* She's done it again on the Secret Six. After suffering some of the worst Badass Decay ever, characters like Cheshire and Bane who ended up ->under her pen have come back to full-formed awesome, with even more moral ambiguity than before.

o Hey, you can't mention Simone and Secret Six without mentioning what she's done for Catman!

Again, Black Canary, Huntress, Cheshire, Bane and Catman weren't Scrappies. They may have been at times unpopular, in the sense of not having many fans, and Catman in particular had gotten pretty lame as a villain, which was heavily recognized in story, but they weren't hated by the audience. Disregarded, perhaps, but not hated. There's no question that Simone may have rescued them from being C- or D-list (F-list in the case of Catman) characters, but not from the Scrappy Heap. So I'm removing these examples.

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