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What does OVA mean?

Looney Toons: "Original Video Animation" — direct-to-video anime intended for sale to viewers, rather than broadcast or theatre. Unlike in the USA, it's not a dumping ground for product of dubious quality. We have a wiki page on the topic.

Andyzero: I'm reminded of that Batman Gotham Knights episode where Croc and Baby Doll team up.

Batgirl: What do you suppose they do on a date? Batman: I don't want to think about it.

Ununnilium: Would the common Japanese cultural thing of one girl's "admiration" for another fit in here?

Andyzero: I think that could fit into a whole other trope. Or several.

Adonic Meki: I'd say that kind of falls under Schoolgirl Lesbians, but not entirely. Maybe a Hero Worship trope, with a mention of how it can lead to romantic attraction, although it's usually two characters of the same gender?

Looney Toons: Sounds like a subset of the whole "student fan clubs" thing that happens in Japanese schools — where a particular student gets so popular that a club forms spontaneously around admiring him or her. (Very much like the club that moons over the nurse in Nadia Secret Of Blue Water...)

osh: Possibly. I think the Schoolgirl Lesbians situation would be most applicable if it involved a bifauxnen.

osh: Removed the Doctor Who reference as takingthis trope too literally. The Doctor isn't a child.
J Random User: So, could someone explain to me how it would be considered wiser to appear to be a pedophile rather than tell your friends your secret identity, which your nemesis, a frequent opponent of the team, already knows?
Jisu: Should this be split into two: one where the childlike character is actually an age that a human could never reach, and one where they're, say, fifteen to twenty-eight? Is there already something like this?

Yoshi348: It seems like every time I see someone link to this page, it's for the former definition, of a character who really is "really seven hundred years old" and just looks 14 because she's part of some obscenely long lived race or something. This page is actually about, however, rather shaky justifications for why it's not icky to like a certain girl. I'd say since everybody's assuming that this is for the former definition, the former definition should probably get this title. That just leaves us with the problem of what to call this current entry.

Jordan: Isn't there a character from Interview With the Vampire who is like a twelve year old vampire girl and the lover of one of the main characters?

....: To Jordan: I have not read the novels, but from Wikipedia, I surmise that she was never physically involved with anyone. However, the fact that she is, physically, twelve and is defined by the disrapancy between her physical and mental/real age is, I belief, enough to warrant her inclusion.

....: How about Elda Marker, from Karin? Although there isn't any sexual tension involved with her, she is the grandmother of the Marker/Maaka family, and nearly everyone in the series confuses her with Karin at first glance. Plus, this editor thinks she looks hot like hell. ;p

Prfnoff: It was decided on YKTTW to split this into two tropes, this one and Older Than They Look. The new description for Really 700 Years Old could be done better, and perhaps some examples could still be moved.

spelling question: should "Wolkenwritter" be "Wolkenritter" (i.e., Wolken-Ritter, Clould Knight)?

Zelda The Swordsman: Would someone from a Star Wars Expanded Universe comic go under Film or Comics?

St Fan: Comics, technically.

St Fan: Several examples were moved to Older Than They Look (or deleted if already there) as they weren't fitting with Really 700 Years Old:

Kit329: Deleted Road Kamelot of D Grayman from the list, since there's no canon age for her yet and anything else is fanon.
BritBllt: Fight the Flanderization!

  • Chapter 187 revealed that Road's age is over 35. What isn't known is whether the young form we see is her real body, or an illusion; for example, although we know she is human, we've also seen her in the form of a doll.
  • President Aria from ARIA. 20 years have passed and he doesn't look any different, unlike Grandma, who has considerably shortened.
  • This is what Yuki becomes at the end of the "Groundhog Day" Loop in Suzumiya Haruhi. Amazingly, at the time of the first season/novel, she's somewhere around the age of three.
  • Saaya of Blood the Last Vampire has apparently been a 15-year-old girl since WWII. Possibly longer.
  • In Planetary, two characters with the birthday January 1st, 1900 are older than they look: Elijah Snow, whose slowed aging is likely an aspect of his powers and permanently looks about 40, and Axel Brass, who figured out how to stop his aging when he was 43.
  • Because she is a time traveller from the past, 12-year-old Klara Plast is actually 112. This is brought up in the comic.
  • Jenny Sparks was born at the beginning of the 20th century and dies at the end of it, all while looking like she's 19-25ish.

Someone who's Really 700 Years Old has to exceed a human lifespan, not just remain unnaturally young. Otherwise, they're just Older Than They Look. Some characters like Saaya are immortal and will end up being Really 700 Years Old someday, but it doesn't sound like she's there yet.

Like Saaya, she might end up being Really 700 Years Old in a few more centuries, but at the time of the comic she's just older than she looks.

  • The vampiress Claudia in Interview with the Vampire: The Vampire Chronicles (1994) is forever stuck in the body of a twelve-years-old girl (it is said so in the movie, and twelve was real age of actress Kirsten Dunst at that time), despite being several decades old mentally when she is destroyed. In the book by Anne Rice that the movie is based on, the character of Claudia was something like FOUR years old. Considering that Anne Rice wrote the screenplay for the movie, too, we can assume she changed it simply to reduce the Squick factor of the love story.
    • That, and it's pretty danged hard to find a four-years-old actress who can act like anything other than a four-years-old for any length of time in a movie.
      • Labor laws also limit the working hours of a four-years-old performer — mind you, they do of a twelve-years-old performer too, but the allowable time period is longer.

She's also just older than she looks, since she died a few decades into her transformation. It's interesting, though, that Marius, Lestat and the other Rice vampires aren't on the page, since they're textbook Really 700 Years Old.

  • Reversed in Blade Runner, where the replicants are force-grown cloned humans with a maximum lifespan of four years (to keep them under control) and artificially implanted memories taken from "real" adult people (to keep the replicants from going insane, although they do know that they are replicants). Considering the fact that replicants are sold as off-world soldiers, slave labour or sex slaves (the "basic pleasure model") by the Tyrell Corporation, and can be hunted down and executed without trial if they return to Earth, the Tyrell corporation's ad slogan "More human than human." becomes particularly cynical.

I'm not sure what that is, but it's a little too far away from this trope. Maybe We Are as Mayflies?

  • Aragorn, at 87-88, looks to be in early middle age. The youngest in the Fellowship is Pippin, at 29, who is still young and not considered an adult by his people.
    • Pippin is a teenager for the Hobbits, in this troper opinion he must be the equivalent to 17 years old. The real example is Frodo, who at 50 (Hobbit middle age) looks 33 (majority for hobbits, probably something between 18 and 21)
      • In the books Frodo is fifty - in the film he sets out for the Prancing Pony quite soon (certainly less than one year) after his 33rd birthday (Bilbo's 111th). If Frodo has a youthful appearance in the books or film, however, it can safely be attributed to his ownership of the Ring.

All of them are just Older Than They Look.

  • Elrond was half-Elven and is still called 'Elrond Half-Elven' - but he is no longer half-Elven. He chose to become fully elven, just as his brother chose to be fully a Man.
  • Not quite right. Elrond and Elros, called half-elven, were the sons of Earendil and Elwing. Elwing was the daughter of Dior, who was the the son of Beren and Luthien, and Earendil the son of Tuor and Idril, the least famous of the three human-elf marriages in history. All this making Elrond three-eighths human. Divinely resurrected human on one side, at that. Come to that, Luthien's mother was a Maia, a sort of demi-god, like Sauron before he fell into evil, so that family is just...complicated, racially speaking. Elrond and Elros did get that choice, though, and Elrond's children. Curiously, when Elrond's sons turn up with the Edain in The Return of the King, they don't appear to register with anyone, least of all Legolas, as elves, so apparently their great-grandfather and great-great-grandfather are strong in them, or they'd already decided not to be elves for the dying lulz, or something. Except that they don't seem to have been a pro-Middle-Earth factor in Arwen's decision, and you'd think having your brothers around would have numbed the ache a little.
  • I've got the quote on Elladan and Elrohir; Legolas says that they're 'fair and gallant as elven-lords,' which is damn ambiguous. Especially from a green-elf prince describing persons of somewhat mixed breeding who are still considerably more exalted than himself by lineage. But given his way of treating the Elves of Lorien as long-lost cousins and so on, he gives a definite impression of these-are-not-elves. Yes, bizarre.
  • Elrond in the Hobbit is also described as "as noble and as fair in face as an elf-lord" - pretty ambiguous as well, especially since JRRT goes on to compare him to creatures and things (wizard, king of dwarves, summer) he definitely is not. Written at a time when that Elrond wasn't identified with Elrond son of Eärendil from the first drafts, but still.
  • Elendil was descended from the eldest daughter of the fourth king of Numenor, Tar-Elendil, who was Elrond's great-great-nephew. Elendil himself lived in the time of either the twenty-fourth or twenty-fifth monarch of Numenor, depending on whether you believe Tolkien that Ar-Adunakor was twentieth or count his king-list and find the guy nineteenth. Aragorn II, son of Arathorn II, crowned Elessar of Gondor and Arnor, is the direct descendant of Elendil's son Isildur to the fortieth degree. Making him and Arwen ridiculously-removed first cousins, but who really cares? At that kind of remove there are so many other ancestors involved...

My eyes! The goggles do nothing! Wall of Text, Thread Mode, and my god, it's all over whether Elrond is elven or half-elven!? Problem solved by just removing the "half-elven" line: either way, he's Really 700 Years Old.

  • The sun is less than eight thousand years old?
  • And, as one of the Noldor of that age, party to the Kinslaying, when the sons of Feanor and their followers killed a whole race of elves to steal their boats and go to Middle Earth. This troper had so much trouble getting used to this idea. She survived long enough, so now that the Fourth Age is beginning and the Valar are sending out the call, she gets to go back into the West. Bah. But it seems to be a pretty thorough clearing-out; no one in Legolas' family had even seriously considered going West even way back in the uttermost depths of time, but at the end of the Fourth Age they're off, too. Possibly only because Legolas carelessly heard seagulls? Galadriel did warn him...
  • Isn't she Arwen's mother? That's...a little cradle-robby of her, leaving aside the fact that she was married to Celeborn before Elrond's grandfather was born, and is still married to same. I do not remember seeing that explained.
  • She's Arwen's grandmother. Her daughter Celebrian married Elrond at the beginning of the Third Age. Cradle-robby? Not a problem, apparently. cf Aragorn&Arwen.

Thank goodness, that Wall of Text almost got me... holy crud, it's still here! More Thread Mode and Conversation in the Main Page, and the gist of it is just that Galadriel is Really 700 Years Old. Also removing the "she's older than the sun" comment and question. From my understanding of Tolkien's cosmology, that might actually be possible, but it's not that important either way.

  • Edward Cullen from Twilight is a 108-year-old virgin.
    • Dear God. A sparkly, century-old virgin vampire?! The more I find out about Twilight, the more horrified I become!
      • Hating on their fandom? :)
      • Name on reason we shouldn't hate on it?

Well, because it's Complaining About Shows You Don't Like. Also, it's a duplicate entry.
BritBllt: And moved all the above Older Than They Look entries over to that page. The only one I left off was Yuki, since Groundhog Day Loops really follow their own rules, and she'd be the only example of that trope on it.