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Eric DVH: Wow, total flamebait. All of the examples are just about British Medical Dramas, and none of the body says anything about its portrayal in fiction. The NHS seems so mundane and uncontroversial in the UK that this is about as boring and useless as having an article about the American SSA. If nobody objects, I'm cutlisting it.

Silent Hunter: I'm objecting. The entry may need some work, but the NHS is by no means an uncontroversial subject (it certainly wasn't in the 1940s) and plays a major role in British life. Sure, edit the Sicko discussion, but I originally wrote this entry and I'm going to defend it.

Eric DVH: Like I said, it's about as controversial as the USA's Social Security Administration. Was it controversial when it was founded? Yes. Are there still people that argue about it today? Yes. Are their opinions on the topic seen as obscurely curmudgeonly and laughed off the public stage whenever they appear? Yes. There's hundreds of programs nearly identical to the NHS in nearly every nation on earth, and none of them are particularly remarkable.

This article currently contains nothing of merit that couldn't be lumped into Medical Drama. Either fix it up or get rid of it, we don't want rusty old articles on cinderblocks sitting around on peoples' lawns.

Fanra: It is controversial in that anytime someone in the USA brings up universal health insurance, someone always mentions that the British NHS, "Makes you wait for years to get any care". Which is 1000% better than never getting any care at all because you can't afford it, but then, the people who say that have private insurance. It's also true that you have to wait for long periods of time to get certain medical care in the USA.

Eric DVH: It (The NHS) isn't controversial outside the USA, and people that say things like the above are completely ignored internationally (unless they're Americans, in which case they're good for a quick chuckle.) This article would actually be worth keeping if it was about the treatment of the NHS in fiction, like the way how My Local talks about bars. As is, knowledge of the NHS is irrelevant to the viewing of a UK medical drama. Heck, even the much more annoying and demanding USA private healthcare system rarely figures in the plot of American medical dramas. This page is still half-flamebait, half-boring-Wikipedia-article, and whatever's salvagable could be lumped into Medical Drama.

Alter Alias: Would like to suggest that were this article moved it may do well to include part of it under the Useful Notes section. Admittedly this being somewhat a reaction to Harry Potter and the Exuberant Hospital bill stories that tend to crop up so worryingly often on locations like ff.net

Silent Hunter: It's under Britain, already.


Kizor: The article's start had turned into a large and completely irrelevant tangent on Churchill. This is why we must crush natter.

Basically, Winston Churchill won the Second World War. The British people then proceeded to thank him for it by electing a Labour government in a landslide not exceeded until 1997.
  • Note, in case you are unaware, Churchill wasn't with Labour (A Conservative, he had been a Liberal earlier in his career, being Home Secretary under Asquith and before that a Conservative).
    • If you want to know why he got voted out, ask any working class person who was around to vote at that time. Churchill was anything but the working man's friend. One of his policies (a change to how bus fees where dealt with) cut the average workers pay check by 10-15% in real terms.
    • Churchill was elected Prime Minister again in 1951 to 1955. This isn't about Churchill, however, there is nothing unusual about a leader who is good in war but not peace or with foreign policy but not with domestic policy.