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The entry about the movie Blade having a Mad Scientists Daughter... are you thinking of Blade II, and if so isn't the vampire scion's father not really a Mad Scientist?


Chuckg: Deleted the Liara T'Soni entry. Benezia not only isn't a mad scientist, she's operating under mind control. Now if she'd somehow been Saren's daughter... and yes, this troper is aware that that's actually physically possible. *g*


Looney Toons: Yes, Janitor, I know your change made better grammatic sense, but it spoiled a quote from the song "Science Fiction Double Feature" from The Rocky Horror Picture Show:

Science fiction, Double Feature
Doctor X will build a creature
See androids fighting Brad and Janet
Anne Francis stars in Forbidden Planet
Wo oh oh oh oh oh
At the late night, double feature, picture show.

Janitor. Ah. Missed a pop-ref. Bad Janitor! ;-)

Looney Toons: Read the freakin' discussion, JHGRedekop!

Morgan Wick: Actually, I don't like the way it's in now. Maybe it would help to make it more obvious without blurting it out in people's faces.

So It Begins: All right then, what exactly do you call it if The Beautiful Daughter busts the hero out of a cell (or equivalent), only to reveal that she's really both loyal and evil by dropping the hero back into it? Example

Nedata:Should this remain female only. There are many male examples.

Daibhid C: Pulled this:
  • In the new BBC version of Robin Hood Marian is the daughter of the former sheriff, and thus an example of the broader version of the trope.

That's a very broad version of the trope. The broader version listed is "any offspring of an Evil Overlord or Big Bad who is likely to betray their parent after falling in love with a protagonist". Marion is the offspring of the guy who used to have the Big Bad's job (and, as far as I can remember, did a fairly reasonable job of it; Robin certainly expected Nottingham to be in good hands while he was away) and becomes the Night Watchman at least partly to get revenge for the way he's been treated.

Anonymous: Ryoko from Tenchi Muyo needs to be dropped. The Mad Scientist in question isn't a villain at all, is in fact introduced long after Ryoko is, and their relationship isn't explained until even after that! Furthermore, she never betrays Washu to hook up with Tenchi, and her romantic interest in Tenchi doesn't serve to frustrate the plans of the villain at all, since he's more than happy to use her as a hostage.

fleb: Changed the pagequote from Girl Genius to Evil Overlord List. The original:

"Ah, you must be the villain's beautiful daughter. Just in time."
Othar Tryggvassen (Gentleman Adventurer!), Girl Geniuson meeting the heroine.

DoKnowButchie: Took a machete to the following:

* Ritsuko, of Neon Genesis Evangelion, is the beautiful daughter of the late (and distinctly mad) scientist Naoko Akagi. Ritsuko grew up to be a Mad Scientist just like Mom. That's not all she has in common with her mother, either.
** Rei Ayanami is nearly a daughter of Gendo Ikari and Gendo is nearly a bad Mad Scientist. She falls in love with protagonist Shinji Ikari and betrays Gendo at the end, though considering how Gendo plans to reduce humankind into primordial ooze by turning Rei into Applied Phlebotinum, the guy definitely had it coming.

The first most definitively does not apply, as Ritsuko doesn't fall in love with anyone. The second is arguable, but not the way it's written (if you have to use to "nearlys" it means you probably nearly have an example. But you don't.

* Dr Allison Mann from Y: The Last Man. While she's a bit of a Mad Scientist herself, she hates her father and even changed her name so she wouldn't have to share his.

Again, the protagonist has no influence on her relationship with her father, so no, it's not an example.

* Franziska Von Karma from Phoenix Wright Ace Attorney is a variation on this, as her father Manfred is less of a Mad Scientist and more of a Mad Prosecutor. Her interaction with Phoenix allows her to find her dere-dere side, though she doesn't fall in love with him (though we can count Adrian Andrews as her Gay Option...).
** Same goes to her adoptive brother, Miles Edgeworth, especially concerning the "falling for the hero" part. (I couldn't resist.)

Again, love plays no part here. Plus, given that her breakthrough occurs when confronted with Edgeworth, after a case where Franziska plays only a minimal part, I'm not too sure how much influence is Phoenix's. Still, it's arguable.

* Belle in Disney's Beauty And The Beast is a trope-within-a-trope, being the archetypal Beast And Beauty-Beauty as well as the daughter of Mad Scientist Maurice.

Um, she's the main character? Not an example of the trope by any means.

* Both Jerrica and Kimber Benton from Jem could fit in this troop as their father, Emmett Benton created Synergy, the computer behind the Jem hologram.

Not the trope. Has nothing to do with the trope except that someone is a scientists' daughter.

Klaue: Should the Gargoyles example really be on this page? Renard wasn't trying to be the big bad as mentioned on the page, on the contrary, he was quite ethical for the head of a multi billion dollar empire. Also, Fox doesn't really betray him. Sure, she tries to take over his company, but Renard would just give it to her if she asked nicely, it's hinted that it is more of a game between them which happened various times before. So, neither is she really the daughter of a mad scientist, nor does she betray him, nor is she rotten to the core.