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DT: Since I'm an interested party, I'm reluctant to just delete the debate on Rocket Girls, on the other hand however I'm worried about it getting out of hand if it continues on the main page. I'm hoping it can be settled without too much trouble. Just to make my personal opinion on the matter entirely clear, I have trouble seeing Rocket Girls as a particularly fan service oriented show. Heck, it's the sort of series I'd be willing to show to people I'd hesitate to show other anime series to.

Mercy: I was thinking just this morning that the Rocket Girls entry was cluttered with natter that belonged here on the Discussion page if anywhere. Since I'm not an interested party, I ruthlessly snipped it. :)

Why does this trope say that real space suits "keep the wearer insulated from the cold" when SpaceIsCold specifically debunks that?

  • Nornagest: Because no one bothered to change it. Fixed it for you.

Ought it not be noted somewhere in the trope description that this is sometimes justified; many settings fielding both bulky suits for full-scale EVA and the lighter, skintight variants designed to either act as a space suit for a protective but still depressurised environment, delicate and fine work, for working in tight spaces, rapid donning, or just as a safety precaution in a small space such as a fighter cockpit?

Tabby: I know this was parodied in a Simpsons episode that spoofed Fantastic voyage, but I can't recall any details.

I've seen this a lot in CGI animation. It's much simpler, as the clothes are the model's skin.

Kendra Kirai: it's simpler in traditional animation too, since the artist just has to draw an anatomical nude. But I think it should be noted that in most cases with anime, the space suits aren't meant to be used for too long. A couple of hours a most. They usually have mecha for longer stints, so the space suits are usually in case of emergency or having to work short term in a vacuum. They also tend to have the added bonus of compressing any injuries sustained.

Man, there's so many tropes I have to fight against editing full of Techno Babble...

Kendra Kirai: Wait...there's a bunch of stuff here that doesn't fit at all. I'm pulling it out, someone else can decide if it should stay or go where it's better suited.

  • Star Trek, mostly the original series, but certain characters like Troi and Seven of Nine have had implausible space outfits. As a nod toward gender equity, in the first season of Star Trek The Next Generation, we occasionally see men wearing the microminiskirt uniform variant.

This one doesn't fit because those aren't spacesuits. Those are just normal uniforms for wearing inside a fully pressurized vessel. (And an edit to fix that DAMN leading space thing)

  • Neon Genesis Evangelion has the sexy pilot suits variant, notably subverted on several occasions.

This one is borderline. Their plugsuits aren't spacesuits.

  • Bubblegum Crisis for curvy powered armor — with high heels.
  • G Gundam has a giant robot in sailor fuku.
Similarly, the "Core Robots" of Parallel Trouble Adventure Dual are disturbingly feminine in form.
  • The earliest example of the Humongous Mecha version is Mazinger Z, in which the female pilot's mecha not only had breasts, it could fire them off as missile weapons. Yes.

These are about feminine-looking robots and power armor which was never intended for space use.

  • Parodied in Excel Saga, in which the men wear the same skintight outfits as the females.

THIS one is pure Sentai parody.

In fact, there are no actual accurate examples. Just subversions and aversions and exceptions.

Ununnilium: IMHO, many of these should be moved over to Stripperiffic.

BT The P: And In actual fact, this page is a subset of Stripperiffic. Now who took away all the straight examples...

Okay, I forgot to read above, thought it was older.

Ununnilium: Putting back in some of the examples taken out (from the entry: "As an actual environment suit, this is rarely seen, mostly because Space Opera shows seldom have the characters use environment suits. More common are the implausible uniforms and body armor used by lady soldiers of the future.") and moving some others over to Stripperiffic.
Haphazard: I believe with Neon Genesis Evangelion, the plug suits were made so skintight to disuade cosplayers, and they received the costume equivalent of a Misaimed Fandom, unfortunately.
  • Nerdorama: This is pretty hilarious when you consider Tiffany Grant's proclivity for Asuka cosplay. I guess they never sent the memo to ADV Films.

Charred Knight: No, they created the plug suits because Gainax was founded by a bunch of horny otakus. Just look at Gunbuster, and Re: Cutie Honey. Their is a reason why bouncing breast are called Gainaxing. I bet they had Yoko wear a bikini and Daisy Dukes where to make it hard to cosplay her as well right?
Space Ace: Removed the Stargate example. The series takes place in modern times, so they use modern-day space suits. I don't see how that's an aversion of the trope. A more reasonable Stargate entry would mention the military-style jumpsuits everyone wears (except for the all the chicks who aren't on SG-teams, I guess), but those aren't space suits.
Nerdorama: Okay, I know this is one of those pages where a lot of examples just got nuked, but is there a reason the Martian Successor Nadesico example got taken out? Not only are they skintight suits, but they really are IN SPACE!, as opposed to say Evangelion. I've noticed this particular show getting picked on so much lately I'm beginning to suspect the parody-hating milkmen of meddling in this wiki.
grendelkhan: Removed the reference to a Hand Wave from the Honorverse example. It's not a handwave to describe a spacesuit as using the body's own temperature regulation mechanisms—the assumption that spacesuits need to keep heat in is simply wrong. The human body generates enough heat that the primary problem is radiating it all away. NASA spacesuits actually carry a lot of water which they evaporate into space to cool the occupant. A space activity suit is mechanically strong (to keep your blood from boiling), but porous enough to let you sweat through it. It sounds kind of counterintuitive, but it's very, very plausible.
  • Kalaong: Actually, sweating lowers heat even better in space than it does in an atmosphere, due to the fluid evaporating instantly as it hits vacuum instead of adhering to the skin. Our bodies produce plenty of heat by themselves. And if the armor isn't integrated into the pressurized suit, it can be as simple as kevlar overalls or chicken plate. All in all a severe case of "why aren't we using this already"?

Dakmordian: Am I to believe that TV Tropes is listing Samus/Zero Suit Samus as a Subversion based purely on fan-based opinions? I've never encountered a shred of evidence that wasn't fan-based as to her Zero Suit actually having any purpose at all besides fanservice (at a startlingly increasing rate I might add since Zero Mission came out). It was plain as the nose on my face when I first played the GBA game that it was fanservice, and at least to me unnecessary, as it adds nothing to the actual appeal of the game. It seems to serve as nothing more than fuel for Rule 34 (and fanservice in general). Add into that the shipping that was started with Smash Brothers Brawl, and that takes it to a whole new level. The ending sequences were originally just Samus in a bikini, where as Zero Mission had cutscenes which often exaggerated Samus's assets more than the actual ending bonus pictures. EDIT: Also, I'm a guy, so I suppose I'm the victim of misaimed fanservice. I'm not sure. I have a girlfriend who used to idolize Samus as a child until they saw how she was represent these last few games.