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This was covered in the Star Trek: Voyager. NEW weapons faced by the BORG only work once, maybe twice, then the shield adapts. Further, in HtH, Borg have enhanced physical strength and can "assimilate" tech to replace lost limbs. Also in HtH, the Borg may inject their opponents with Nano-probes and assimilate them. No amount of Armor or shields will stop them.

Ununnilium: What's HtH?

Looney Toons: "Hand to Hand" — i.e., melee combat.

Darmok: Yeah, I'd have to agree that the Borg in "First Contact" were easily dispatched by Picard's Tommy Gun precisely because nobody had tried to shoot them with one before. This is not the "gaping logic hole" the article claims.

Seven Seals: Well, it is just a tad implausible that apparently, none of the thousands of races assimilated by the Borg have tried to attack them with supersonic projectiles, or that the Borg didn't bother to come up with effective countermeasures to this — Picard's gun is much more effective than your standard phaser, which is lucky to get off one shot at one drone before being useless.

On the other hand, if this idea is taken to its logical conclusion then the Borg drones should either be much tougher than they already are (why don't they carry nanoprobe projectile weapons?), or else they should always attack in greater numbers. For that matter, Picard should not have been allowed to wander freely in the first place ("he's not a threat" clearly doesn't apply).

Of course, all this happens because the plot Says So, and the heroes have to have some chance against the Borg. I agree that calling it a "gaping logic hole" is going too far, though. Who's to say the Borg wouldn't have adapted if the Federation had replicated a million guns? Picard only kills two drones.

TravisWells: One thing that gets often overlooked is that Picard did NOT attack the Borg with just a projectile weapon. He attacked them with a holographic projectile weapon. It's entirely possible that no one had tried to attack the Borg with holograms before (Since the vast majority of holograms are completely harmless)

Red Shoe: Or it's the old Asgard Futility Clause: "It never occurred to us to develop a defense against having balls of metal hucked at us." (That said, it's fairly easy with existing technology to build a filter that will change the frequency of emitted light in a random way, so the whole "You'll get maybe six shots with your modified phaser before they adapt" thing rings a little false. If they can't adapt to changing the frequency as a general principle, you ought to be able to rig a phaser to randomly change frequencies after each shot. If so, "Retune the phasers" is already spent as a strategy.)

Travis Wells: The voyager game Elite Force had the gun that realized you can always change frequency (the I-Mod!) but they went and passed it off as Advanced Borg Technology, kinda ruining any common-senseness of it.

Jadehorde: Multiple points here on this one. First I agree that this is not a major gaff. One is the question of whether these ARE bullets. Another is even if they are, Worf all by himself and just with his communicator was able to fashion a device that made him bulletproof to holodeck bullets in showdown in the Ancient Terran West (ugh I hate that obvious writer shorthand). So the tech is readily available in Trek to stop such a thing. Why is it not widely used? What makes it necessary? I mean bullet proof vests fail against knives because that isn't their main target for defense. We don't expect people to carry around platemail on the odd chance someone comes at them with a sword...which is likely FAR more likely than the Borg encountering a species of interest that still uses guns. And that's the final point. The Kazon (capable of producing ships larger than even a Romulan Warbird) were not worthy of assimilation way back in the Delta Quadrant. I suspect any race still puttering around with chemical projectiles is not going to garner much interest by the Borg.