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That Other 1 Dude: The thing about Skies of Arcadia was a single subversion. As was the thing about Firefly.

Dausuul: As was the thing about video games. Arguably, the linear relationship between threat level and number of mooks in videogames is a subversion of Conservation of Ninjutsu (though it's really reaching), but the fact that the hero does in the end win doesn't mean the trope was doubly subverted. It just means the hero was able to beat the increased difficulty. For it to be a double subversion, the late-game mooks would need to actually be weaker than their less numerous cousins, which is generally not the case. Remember that Conservation of Ninjutsu applies to enemies, not the hero himself.

Pro-Mole: As weird as it seems, I'm bugged by the first example now. What exactly states that the viewer should be expecting the computer to take all day to start up? In short: what's the trope being doubly subverted here?

Prfnoff: This example must have been added because Real Women Never Wear Dresses:
  • A Real Life example involving the Mario series: In a subversion of gender roles, Peach gets her own platforming game, Super Princess Peach—and then in a subversion of the expectation of reversed gender roles, Peach's abilities are practically parodical versions of female stereotypes. (This troper hasn't figured out whether the game is a celebration of the Princess Peach character or a parody of her being portrayed as extremely girly.)

Devil's Advocate: Someone want to explain how the current page image (the Cyanide and Happiness webcomic) illustrates this trope? At best, it seems to be separate subversions of two different tropes. First: radioactive waste is spilled on the turtles. The turtles die, which is a subversion of I Love Nuclear Power. Then the people think it's awesome, which would be a subversion of our expectations that people are upset when their animals die and/or their dreams do not reach fruition. But that's two subversions of two different tropes. Not a double subversion, which would be something like 1) nuclear waste spilled on turtles; 2) turtles apparently die; 3) later, turtles turn out not to be dead but alive, and with superpowers.

Chad M: I agree with DA, I fail to see any double subversion in that picture either.

Devil's Advocate: OK, I removed it.