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Actually, the first Disney Death would be Snow White.

//One particularly well-known and controversial anime series from the late 1990s subverts this trope, but to name it and the character involved would be major spoilers.

Tabby: Removed references to Whale Rider, as the Disney Death in question is in line with the original book and can't be blamed on the filmmakers.

Looney Toons: Um, no, unnamed person at 67.84.235.124, it was quite definitely the Romulans in "The Enterprise Incident", and I have reverted the text accordingly. (Later) On reflection, the wording in that sentence is a bit obscure, and not only is my memory of those episodes cloudy, I cannot find a script reference to help me figure out which way that line should go. Can someone else help?

Ununnilium: See, this is a good use of the phrase "partially subverted", since they used the trope straight, but pointed out via Lampshade Hanging how easily it could've gone wrong.

Looney Toons: Webrunner, I've moved your example to Almost Dead Guy, because it fits that trope better than this one.

Kchishol: Spock and Kirk's scam in the Enterprise Incident was to fool the Romulans and I've changed the entry accordingly.


I question the naming of this trope after Disney. Yes, there are examples like the "deaths" of Snow White, Sleeping Beauty, etc., in Disney movies. But probably just as many examples of characters dying and staying dead. Bambi's mother. Mufasa in the Lion King. Etc.

Fast Eddie: The use of the term "disney death" for this sort of thing has been around for a long time. It didn't originate here.
Kilyle: In the interests helping people spell: "all right" is two words and has two L's, and is never properly written "alright" - although you may, if you like, go for something like "a'ight" (the spelling of which I'm not in a position to comment on).
According to Disney fan and book author David Koenig, it was actually protests by Peggy Lee (who voiced several roles in the film) that got the ending of Lady and the Tramp rewritten. After reading the script, she pled with Walt Disney to spare Trusty's life, because otherwise it would be too sad for kids, "just like Bambi"...which she hadn't, as a matter of fact, seen. In any case, I thought for the longest time that Disney wasn't allowed to have anyone but a bad guy (and Bambi's mom) die for real in one of their movies. Like there was a law against it or something. And I thought that was stupid, because I was a kid and I could handle it.
It's been forever since I've seen it, but would the Disney Death count as having been partially/temporarily subverted in the 1986 Transformers movie? As I recall, when they killed off Optimus Prime (yes, the movie is more than twenty years old, but I will not take chances!), the original plan was to leave him dead. Obviously, he came back later, but it might be worth a mention.
Does Jesus really count? The Bible made it fairly clear, that yes he was dead, not [[Not Quite Dead]]. So wouldn't that make it an instance of [[Back From The Dead]]? Not trying to cause any trouble, just think that this fits better in [[Back From The Dead]].
Caswin: Two questions: does this cover people who actually do die, but are brought back within a few minutes (see a good deal of anime finales)? What about being caught in an explosion, briefly mourned, then making a triumphant return?
tsukinofaerii: Considering that Goofy participates in the Thousand Heartless Battle, and is essentially unkillable as a standard member of the playable power trio... Why is he listed here?
Peripatetic Penguin: Isn't the Buffy listing a fairly major spoiler? (It was for me, but I only started watching this year)


Some Sort Of Troper : there was some awful natter in the form of response n that managed to combine complete unreadibility with talking about completely unrelated tosh. Please for the love of pete tell me it was just a drive by editor.
Cambdoranononononono: Removed Little Shop of Horrors. Surviving injury or adaptation changes don't qualify. In the film, neither Seymour nor Audrey is treated as though they have died at any point, and thus neither is an example. Or Is It endings with the villain are distinct from this trope, which seems to be more about manipulating the drama of death without actually having to kill someone off. Otherwise, pretty much every slasher villain ever would be listed here.

Removing the Portal example for the same reason. I'm assuming I'm correct that this page doesn't apply to all fake deaths? It just seems like a very different kind of manipulation.
Morgan Wick: Why are all the entries accompanied by dates?