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Void: Why does the page have a real life section?

Cassius335: Who wrote the Cassandra Cain entry? She isn't a precog... someone's confusing her with the ''other'' Cassandra. As I remember it, Mis Cain's father basically taught her body language as her only language, so that she knew the slightest movements instictively, at the expense of not understanding verbal language (until a nasty misunderstanding with a telepath. After that, things got complicated). Part of her ablity to dodge bullets is another part of her dad's training, which involved actually shooting her.

Zeta: She still moves faster and reacts far quicker than any human should. This has been pointed out in several issues where people have tried to prove she's a superhuman.

Ununnilium: She's not explicitly a precog, but that's basically how it works.

Morgan Wick: For some reason I'm thinking we now have a bunch of tropes named or referencing Chuckie Atlas.

Will It Work: I seem to recall that she did have some sort of destiny, but yeah, like everyone she knew was a world-class assassin. She also killed her mum.

Cassius335: I dunno. That example could still use a rewrite for clarity, IMHO.

On a different note: Isn't flying in Dragonball Z a (relatively minor) Ki Ability?

The Jake: In the Dragon Ball universe, anyone can train to harness their innate Ki. It's unorthodox for a C.A.S., but it's still a naturally-occurring part of the self (in DB), so it counts.

Kilyle: Now, Superman does have super powers, but wasn't he initially able to "leap tall buildings" purely based on gravity distinctions between his home world and this one? If so, that should be included under Samurai Jack or something. Perhaps also John Carter on Mars.

Ununnilium: Taking out "(Also a good example of Magic A Is Magic A, as everybody in the theatre cheered when a bullet bounced off Superman's eye.)" from the Watchmen entry, because it seems to have absolutely nothing to do with it.

H. Torrance Griffin: I pulled the Black Panther entry outright, as he got a dose of the local Wakandan Super Serum in the form of a 'Heart-Shaped Herb' once he proved himself worthy of the crown.

Shiralee: Sounds like code for something sexual...heh heh.

HeartBurn Kid: Nothing really to do with anything, but just thought I'd mention that MVP has recently revised his catchphrase as seen on this page to, "I am half-man, half-amazing, half-tag-team-champion... I'm so great, I'm the only man on Earth with three halves!"

Just made a (probably poor; I'm tired) edit, but I think it should be explored in greater detail; the implicit or explicit existence of an otherwise-untapped spiritual substance in Asian fiction that justifies many of those instances as a feature of that particular universe. The Ki of Dragonball Z, the spiritual energy and Chakra of Naruto, the spirit energy and Lifestream of Final Fantasy VII...I would assume, with the idea being so culturally entrenched, that this is why the premise of movies like Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon fly a lot better in Asian countries. This article seems a lot more confused than it should be, with the 'answers' (fictional though they may be) already available. A case of Our Humans Are Different, if you will.

Tanto: We've got that; it's Mana.

I was thinking specifically in regards to this entry, which includes many examples rooted in Eastern mysticism. I guess I'll link to mana and expand the note properly later.

Pro-Mole: No, I'm not gonna take it out, I understand what it is and it doesn't really deserve to be deleted, but...

I'd just like to note that Luffy's powers in One Piece just can't be explained by Akuma No Mi. It just made him rubber, not super strong. Actually, it should make him weaker...

Thausgt: I submit that this trope is based on the theory that humanity is possessed of vast physical (and mental) potential, but we don't all perform parlor tricks like the ones mentioned in the main article because we aren't specifically trained to do so, or we don't believe that we can. Consider the story of Roger Bannister, the first human to run a mile in under four minutes. As word of his accomplishment spread, first one other person did it, then another, and another, until it has become a performance benchmark for amateur long-distance runners.

Freezer: Removed mention of Daredevil's Radar Sense, since his path to invoking it at will was more Training from Hell than Atlas.

Randallw: In regards to Batman, I'm sure I've seen lots of cases where he magically appears somewhere, Off the top of my head For Want of a Nail and the recent Booster Gold series. The heroes will smash their way into the enmy hideout/base, get surrounded and then Batman apepars out of the shadows, or is one of the guards, and criticises the other heroes for ruining everything when it took him days to sneak in.

sci: Well, i tried to add an update to the egs example, but i cant get the markup right for some reason, can someone else fix that please ?

  • Also from Naruto, Lee's Lotus techniques involve releasing mental limitations that prevent him from using 100% of his muscle mass. It is noted that using the Lotus techniques is very dangerous, and using them too much would permanently damage your body.
    • Actually, the Lotus techniques also involve forcing open the chakra gates inside of the users body. Each gate that is opened gives the user a new enhancement — like opening the rest gate will restore the users stamina. Essentially the technique 'overclocks' the user.
  • Not just wielding a sword, but constantly wielding swords that are larger than you are since you were a child. At least it's a semi-plausible explanation as to why he can brandish swords that large, as opposed to every other character with a BFS that also have the physique of a toothpick.
    • Seems perfectly in fitting with canon to this troper. Were I an elite sniper hired to assassinate Batman, and had the perfect opportunity to take the shot, and I didn't hit him? I'd claim he's got a magical bulletproof forcefield of chi, too.
  • Much like everything else, Batman's Charles Atlas Superpower-ness gets ramped up to 11 in Grant Morrison's run on the Justice League. If memory serves, he once snuck onto the Watchtower...without using the teleporters or a shuttle. The Watchtower is on the moon.
    • I'M BATMAN. And I can breathe in space!
    • Then again, there was one particularly good issue when Batman and Nightwing took on an Amazo android. The Amazo series androids have copies of the Justice Leagues' powers, including Superman's strength and The Flash's speed. Amazo caught them completely by surprise, Bats and Nightwing were unprepared...and they still kicked its ass. The Goddamned Batman is apparently good at coming up with an Indy Ploy.
    • or, y'know, the writers just write alot of total BS to have him win
    • Since the android has powers Batman is already familiar with, and has contingency plans for - this could still fall under Crazy-Prepared.
    • It should be noted there is only *one* true Amazo, the others are inferior copies. Plus, if the one Batman fought had Superman's invulnerability (and Martian Manhunter's) his plastic explosives would never have damaged him. Besides, if Batman and grown-up Robin can easily beat Amazo, what does it say about the rest of the Justice League? Clearly a case of Writer on Board.
      Apparently, the local vegetation was either inedible or Green Arrow lacked the survival skills to identify the non-dodging plants he could eat; the island was also apparently in fishless waters. His son, who was raised in a monastery, even more so.
  • He fished with the bow and arrows. Had ropes tied to them.
    • Comic book physics turn a blind eye towards superheroes... hey, that makes sense!
  • Well, in that one, he continues fighting and not bleed after beeing blasted. However, he's shown healing many times.
  • This troper notes that a lot of the Bene Gesserit/Honored Matre Atlasness can be chalked up to the uncounted generations of breeding selection, rather than to pure training alone.
  • A lot of it is definitely Charles Atlas, but Frank Herbert does a good job with not getting too ridiculous with it. Brian Herbert and Kevin J Anderson, on the other hand...
  • She turned out to be the daughter of Ares, making her a demigod. So unfortunately she doesn't fit this trope.
    • That was a trick she played on the furies to get their spell lifted. She beat Ares without powers because she's just that good.
  • Somewhat justified since the future of Firefly presumably has more advanced medical technology. Someone in real life probably could take the physical punishment Mal does, but they'd never get healthy enough to do it second time.
    • And isn't the sword supposed to hit a nervecluster that would paralyse Mal, but due to an earlier injury it has been removed by surgeons?
    • No, that happened later, when the Operative tried to paralyze Mal by hitting that nerve cluster (with his hand). The sword Mal just took in the stomach and pulled out without much trouble.
      An army of one, indeed.
  • Before a jarhead complains, that character was a Marine - the few, the proud...
    • It'd probably suddenly make sense if we added the word "Space" in front of that though. After all, the BFG is a really Big f-well you get the idea. To be able to lug all of that around in a backpack, you gotta be augmented somehow!
    • Though, according to other sources, he's also completely and utterly insane, and prone to ranting about radioactive waste.
  • Honestly, doing it in THAT outfit and with that... baggage ought to be considered a superpower (It is!), but I guess she can slide by on a technicality as she's nowhere near the monster other CASes are. (Like Cid having about the same strength despite being a mechanic. Any sort of meager work adds to your strength stat, apparently.)

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Although in recent JLA comics, Vixen was able to take his archery skills the way she took the other team member's powers so I'm not completely sure here.

I think this was specifically being pointed out as her being able to take non-metahuman abilities.

  • While not quite the same as mere training, long running support character Enlongated Man got his superhuman stretching from a fictional commercially available vitamin supplement drink. He literally bought his powers out of the back of a magazine. (Later Retcon makes him a latent Metahuman triggered by traces of a rare plant extract in the drink.)
    • He got his powers after drinking doses of the extract straight. It's implied that this would work for any human, with or without the metagene, but the vast majority of humans would suffer lethal allergic reactions to that much of the raw stuff.

Yeah, not really an example.

  • Ryu Hayabusa from Ninja Gaiden proudly states that his "strength comes from training, not from some curse in my blood". It must really have been Training from Hell, as he performs undeniably superhuman feats. In the XBox version, he can launch armoured men with a single slash and keep them airborne while attacking, leap from wall to wall to continue a wallrun, block bullets with a wooden sword, run and leap unhindered by a 100-pound BFS on his back, and zoom with an unaugmented bow. As in, naked eye. That doesn't even cover the full extent of his abilities.
    • Actually, it is a plot point that Ryu DOES have the fiend curse, which goes some way to explaining his abilities (but with emphasis on only "some way")

So doesn't he not count?

Gentlemens Dame 883: We can fix that Ninja Gaiden by labelling it as a Double Subversion since the fiend curse does not improve his fighting abilities whatsoever.

Unum: The "vast bulk of any martial arts curriculum" is not, in fact, "body-hardening exercises designed to overcome these unconscious limiters", in my experience, but rather mental and physical exercises designed to improve the student's skill and technique. I changed it a while back, but someone evidently took exception because it's been changed back. I'm putting this here for consideration, then.

Random Surfer: often cited by stories of "small women lifting buses off of their babies" etc...

FWIW, this was the motivation behind David Banner's experiments which eventually turned him into The Incredible Hulk in the live-action TV show. He had lost his wife (car accident, he was thrown clear but his wife was trapped inside, he was unable to flip the car over) but others in identical situations were able to flip the cars. Banner discovered that sunspot activity released high levels of gamma radiation on the days the others were able to do it.

Feel free to write this up better for inclusion in the article, if you want. Wiki Magic, take me away!

The Nifty: Urgh, this page needs heavy cleanup. A lot of these are either just examples of Badass Normal (James Bond, Tom Cruise in The Last Samurai, Lara Croft from the Tomb Raider movie, Rincewind) rather than characters who do anything superhuman, and a lot of the rest are characters with actual superpowers (Iron Fist, Spider-Man, The Mandarin) who obviously don't belong here.