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Working Title: Hot curly haired light skin black women: From YKTTW

Fast Eddie: This is very offensively and badly written.

Blackdragon6: How is it offensively written??,it could'nt be no more offensive then the other stuff thats written on here.besides i'm still editing it.

Stm177: R-rated sexual reference in the parody description. Light Skin Blacks is not SPOON either.

Fast Eddie: Redrafted it. The link to the site is here. Yeah, the title sucks, too. Maybe something like Light Skin?

Seth: Ah Maddox - his quest to offend and entertain the entire world continues unabated i see. I should check his website out again sometime.

I get the title, and i see value in the trope. But a better title would be But Not Too Black.

Shire Nomad: I'll second But Not Too Black for the new title.

Ununnilium: I'll third it.

Sci Vo: Yes, But Not Too Black puts the focus in the right place for the trope.

Dr Dedman: You might want to reference the "paper bag" rule. (describing the skin tone found to be most comfortable to white audiences also used as a test by certain black social groups c.f. "School Daze").

Fast Eddie: Not familiar with the "paper bag" rule. How's it go?

Looney Toons: They held up a brown paper grocery bag next to the "candidate"'s skin. If he was darker than the bag, he was out. If he was lighter, he was in.

D-Sean: Thank you Jesus that someone finally caught this.

Seth: Now this is a complete trope.

Blackdragon6: thanx for helping me edit this.i didn't have the time to do it myself.

Blackdragon6: @D-Sean i was the one you should thank ;),but anyways i was shocked (well not entirely) that this trope wasn't brought up yet.

D-Sean: I actually thought it up quite a while ago and put it on TTYKW, but it was at a point when I was reluctant to start tropes myself ya'know. As long is it gets done.

BT The P: Do we have a trope about the depiction of dark-skinned people in animation, i.e. all black people are the same color brown across the board in a given show, with exceptions for black-produced shows like The Proud Family and The Boondocks?

The Kakapo: I'm not sure that it's appropriate to call out Alicia Keys as an example of benefitting from this, since just about any light skinned actor, singer, etc etc until infinity could be used as an example. Hallie Berry? Byonce'? Come on, let's not get personal. I'm editing it a bit because it makes me feel icky. ... apparently, not *frustration*

The Jam: Alicia fits because she specifically got acused of benefitting from this. especialy after Hype Backlash after she beat darker complected India.Arie which was already brought up..

Filby: I have to say I have really mixed feelings about this article. While I'm aware that this affects casting very often, and the confirmed examples (eg, 3LW) and in-story examples (School Daze, etc.) definitely belong in, I think it's way too easy to use this trope to justify pointing at someone and saying "They only got that job/are popular 'cause they're biracial," which is what the Alicia Keys example looks like.

I'm also waiting for the inevitable accusation against Senator Obama.

The Jam: Well if Obama is brought up it would be more because of his upbringing and not his race. And thus wouldn't qualify for this article. its also rational to list examples of lightskin/Caucasian pairing on Tv/Film.

The-Urban-Prince: I thinks its fine to point out the Light skin and Caucasian couple pairings. Thats one of the reasons for this trope in the first place. I mean it is what it is people. Alicia on the other hand i think she partially deserves to be in this article. Either way its been already pointed out that this has been applied to nearly all light complected black people. No one ever really said she benefited from colorism per se. The article points out that theres people who believes this to be true. its not a malicious attack on Alica, I think its a fair example. But if you want further proof of what The Jam was talking about go to amazon.com and read the negative reviews of her first cd.

Blackdragon6: Actually those amazon reviews was deleted years ago.. but heres some proof. http://www.3blackchicks.com/ubb/Forum9/HTML/000004.html

Filby: Okay, I see your points. I still think it's too easy for someone to use this article to make irrelevant attacks on people, but otherwise I retract my last comment.

Richard AK: I'm fairly certain that the complaints about Vixen's appearance refer to Justice League, not Birds of Prey, so I'm going to change that.

Misanthrope: I did a quick wikipedia on the "Denise Vasi" mentioned in the beginning of the article. Turns out she's not black. She's half Greek and half Puerto Rican... at best, she could be half afro-caribbean and half Turkish (many darker skinned Greeks can trace their family back to the Turks)

Tishauna: Actually Denise is Dominican, There is also a sizable black Dominican population as well.

Mullon: I always thought artists didn't want to draw people as too black to avoid being accused of drawng something somolar looking to blackface.

Passerby - Oh, great, another chance for the PC crowd here to bitch about Unfortunate Implications.

The Urban Prince: Being "PC" has nothing to do with this trope.

Nornagest: Excised

** Indeed, this troper barely noticed she was black.
** Or as my friends roughly put it. "She's just exotic wank material. I didn't even know Ada Wong was Chinese until I read up on wikipedia." "And I love how this new character has a british sounding accent. So. You know... Just in case at least she SOUNDS white."

Black Brit sounds British. What a surprise.

And, of course, natter.

but not to her predecessor, Colin Powell, who is exceedingly fair-skinned.

Someone altered this, and I'm not sure why. He's light, but there's no way he'd be mistaken for Caucasian.


Ross N: Are Courtney and Katie from Total Drama Island supposed to be black? I have heard them described in some places as just very tanned, which might be in keeping with Katie's personality but Courtney doesn't strike me as the sort of girl who would visit a tanning parlour.

The Urban Prince: who knows, i'm wondering about Mr. Saturdays from the Secret Saturdays myself.
Jonn: I'm not sure if Astrid Farnsworth from Fringe should qualify. On the one hand, she does fit the generic curly-haired light-skinned/biracial black woman archetype. On the other, the show already has a black guy as the main character's superior. Sometimes people are just light-skinned.
Cat22: Changed the link to Princess Tiana's picture under Western Animation to an appropriate Google image link. Disney still does not have official site up and running. Will replace link when they finally do.
HelterSkelter: No one has mentioned how much this article needs to be cleaned up?

•True Blood plays it straight and then averts it with the same character: in the unaired pilot, the Black Best Friend Tara is played by the very light-skinned Brook Kerr, then for the series, the role was recast with the much much darker Rutina Wesley. The other two black characters in the show are also aversions.

See, now, that's a good example of how this trope doesn't apply at all. The actor that was cast originally happened to have lighter skin. The casting directors really didn't care the exact shade of her skin—if you find that offensive (why?), I'm sure everyone wouldn't have a problem agreeing that pale white and peachy white are still white, although obviously denote different heritages (or social life). So then how do they possibly "play it straight" AND "avert it"?

This is what the article is full of. If a black character doesn't look like they came straight out of Nigeria or Ethiopia, than they somehow fall under this trope. I honestly think it only applies if every character in a certain media is a lighter skinned black. If there's a mixed group, or just one black character—how can you tell? If a particular actress is always hooked up with a white man, or vice versa, than it applies. Otherwise...

SSJ Pabs: So I was reading that most societies even prior to European contact with the exception of aboriginal Australians consider light as skin as more attractive than darker skin if you look at their poetry, songs etc.

Wascally Wabbit: Its because in pre-industrial society, having pale skin ment that you where some kind of nobility/treasured belle of the town who didn't have to work outside all day.

Nornagest: ...Uncanny Valley aside, I think the page image is actually an improvement. Also cut the following:

  • Note a few South Asians would pass as Caucasian save for the skin tone.

That's because many people descended from the Indian subcontinent are genetically closer to Caucasians than to Africans or East Asians. The "indo-" in "Indo-European" is there for a reason.
Wascally Wabbit: Does this article have any real value other than to devalue the work of black actors who are deemed 'not black enough' and stoke the incessant need on this site to read conspiracies into everything.?

The Urban Prince...Yes it does.