This is discussion archived from a time before the current discussion method was installed.
Me: Some days ago I added a Dexter example, and it was deleted by the accusation of "false information". Can someone tell me where I'm wrong? Seson 2 spoilers. If Debra had things with Rudy, and Rudy is Dexter's biological brother, and Dexter is also Debra's biological brother, then Debra + Rudy = Incest.
Looney Toons: Removed ", though this is somewhat mitigated by the fact that they are, in fact, merely step-siblings" from the Lost example, because this is a typical variation already cited in the main entry.
Seth: Reverted the Marmalade boy edit because Not Blood Siblings was already linked to in the text under step-siblings
Hi: I've always heard that seeing cousinly marriage as incestuous is a strictly US thing, though this attitude seems to be spreading (for instance, to the UK, in response to rising rates of birth defects). Maybe the article should be rewritten to reflect this?
Seth: Marrying your cousin is still legal in the UK so long as it is your aunts child rather than your uncles. Since most genetic defects are recessive trial and error told people that they don't come from that pairing. As far as i know it is still illegal to marry your uncles child - not that that changes attitudes much, it is still seen as incest.
Seanette: Doesn't seem to me that there'd be much difference in genetic risk between one's aunt's child and one's uncle's child, so why the distinction in legality?
Fast Eddie: Yeah, that doesn't hold up. The relevent statute
doesn't actually make that distinction. In fact, it seems to be silent on the topic of cousins.
Citizen: About that England example...
BT The P: Interesting topic from the standpoint of evolutionary biology. It seems fairly logical that, if siblings interbreeding is statistically detrimental to the offspring then individuals with an aversion to mating inside their own immediate relatives would have a competitive advantage, even though they'd mate less often and have to work harder for it, and therefore reproduce less. Of course, it's easier for a gene to be passed on if both parents have most of the same genes, and siblings certainly have easy access to each other, so there might be an additional selection pressure in the other direction. The former pressure is probably more present in animals that follow the "K" strategy and have a small number of competitively optimized offspring. Like humans. "r" strategists would probably not have this pressure, since they're all about numbers.
Prfnoff: Removed the Arrested Development and Ben 10 examples, incorporating them into the newly created trope Kissing Cousins.
Lale: The Fall of the House of Usher is Twincest.
- There's a lot of Brother–Sister Incest implied. After all, their family tree "never branched" (that's from a years-old memory, so probably not exact words).
savage: Suggestion, a rename of trope to "Flowers In The Attic". Muhaha.
Frank75: Removed this bit. Reason: That's not incest. Onan is punished for failing to give his dead brother an heir; he was legally required to have sex with his brother's widow, and did so while being careful not to get her pregnant.
Off Side 7: Wasn't there something weird going on between the twin boys in Fushigi Yuugi... Amiboshi and Suboshi?
MikoGalatea: It's not like they were explicitly incestuous, but Suboshi was extremely attached to Amiboshi, plus there was that one scene where he gave Amiboshi some potion mouth-to-mouth in a way that looked very much like a kiss. Actually, earlier in that same scene Miaka was watching the two while half-asleep and thinking, "wow, looks like the same person doing a love scene with himself". So Yeah.
Somebody: Removed "In the Fan comic "Grim Adventures From Down Below", it is implied (if not outright stated) that "brother and sister" children of Grim and Mandy are like this, especially in this comic. But of course, just to explain the premise of the whole comic would be impossible" from Web Originals since there's already an entry under Web Comics.
Freezair For A Limited Time: Dear Unknown Troper: Thank you so much for that An American Tale example. I have a music box that plays that song, and now I will never, ever be able to listen to it again without thinking impure thoughts. :P
Kingogtheingdaw: Why was the troper tales for this trope removed it was so, eh........interesting to read.
Broken Chaos: I'm curious about this as well, but from a different prospective. Is it due to the legal issues surrounding what's being discussed there (illegal in several countries, etc.)? Or is it just because someone found it offensive? Was the content not directly related to potentially-illegal activities (such as people mentioning erotic dreams) moved to another page, if the concern was a legal one, or were they caught up in the removal?
Fast Eddie: (Copied from forum topic) Yeah, I should have been more clear in that little cut blurb. There was a rash of inbound links from other forums about "TV Tropes is a twisted place" linking to that page. In those forumite's mindsets, a page (out of our 30K+ pages) is the wiki. And us tropers.
Wasn't worth it.
Broken Chaos: Ah, makes sense. Well, I suppose those other people have never really seen some of the bad parts of the internet if they thought we were that horrible.
fleb: That forum topic disappeared now. What's up with that? It wasn't a PR problem like the page was.
Feeping Creature: I'd like to know the answer to that as well. WRT. deletion: generally speaking, when deciding between existing users and "potential" users, it's generally wiser to go in favor of your existing ones. I liked the Troper Tales page.
- The real Kaname died when Yuki was a baby.
Huh? Can anyone confirm this?
Brutticus Force: I was just wondering what happened to the troper tales page of this entry. I know it was kinda off color and mostly trolls, but i still found it entertaining, in a sick puppy sort of way.
Fast Eddie: It was cut because it was kinda off color and mostly trolls, and we weren't really interested in entertaining sick puppies.
Yoinked the following as not really related:
- It got to the point that any Roman emperor worth his salt was sleeping with at least one blood relative. Caligula and his sisters is the most notorious example, but there's also Claudius and his niece, Nero and his mother, Domitian and his niece...
This is a mix of not-quite-the-same-trope stuff, mixed with Values Dissonance.
Personally, in response to the Song of Ice and Fire, I've always wondered about Martin.
Freezer: Pulled this entry on Orson Scott Card's Homecoming series:
There's no brother/sister incest in the series: The closest there is is Nafai's younger brother (born on the journey towards the titular Ships of Earth) marrying his (Nafai's) daughter. Incest, but not this trope.
Spider: I deleted the following entry because it did not relate to brother/sister incest:
The Fairytale Donkey-Skin and it's variation had the titular heroine fleeing from marriage with her *father*! Usually, most modern adaptions has shifted the blame for the father's desire from himself (desiring a woman as beautiful as his Dead Wife to the dead woman's request (marry one who can wear her ring). Doesn't make it less Squicky.
- Deerskin is a novel based off the tale. Unlike the story, the heroine didn't escape until after the father impregnated her (!)
Remember how The Bible said that we all originated from Adan and Eve? That means we're all siblings, or really really distant relatives. So...we're all doing this trope. So yeah.
- No, were all doing Kissing Cousins there's a difference.
Spider: Regarding Jaime and Cersei Lannister in George R.R. Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire, their incestuous relationship is revealed within the first 100 pages of the first book, so I took the spoiler tags off that fact.
Where'd the page image go? The quote is the same that went with it anyway...
Muninn: looks like it was pulled by GG Crono. Edit history gives this as the reason The picture doesn't really add anything in and of itself, no?
Thnikkafan: If it was the pregnant Satoko one, then thank every god out there.
Spider: I'm going to remove the entry under Music for the Queens of the Stone Age song, "Little Sister," as it's not about incest. Josh Homme has said in interviews that it was inspired by the Elvis Presley song, "Little Sister," which is narrated by a guy going after the little sister of the girl who rejected him (he's not related to either).
Tricksterson: I would say yes. Twincest makes no distinction so why should this trope. Spam Warrior 3000: Shouldn't there be a trope for slash incest, be it sister/sister or brother/brother? Or would they be acceptable in this entry?
Clato Lawa: I don't know how to categorise this one, but a science textbook I used in Year 9 (in a chapter on geneticcs, I think) included an example of how a family tree should be drawn. Apparently no one at the publishing company noticed that said family tree included an incestuous marriage between a brother and sister, with three children being born as a result.
