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Lale: I've never read Lord of the Rings or seen the movies, but I've heard from friends there's a really minor female character in the first book (they used to challenge each other to read the book just to find the place where she appears) who's turned into a major character and love interest or something in the first movie. True?

Robert: Approximately. Arwen barely appears in the story proper, but she has a major role in the back story. The film took material from the appendices, which explained her role, and put it into the three films.

Callista: She was meant to be Aragorn's 'girl back home', basically.

Keith: They also did some substitution to increase her role in the first film. In the book the elf Glorfindel's horse is sent to carry Frodo, and he faces down the Ringwaiths by himself. Since Glorfindel has no futher use in the story it was easy to substitute Arwen as well as showing how endangered Frodo was by making him too weak for anything. It (and the later scenes with Aragorn) were also added to explain why Aragorn turned down Eowyn's advances. He already had the Hot Action Babe.

ralphmerridew: It's been a while since I read Christie / watched most of the episodes, but I don't recall Hastings being given that much of a larger role in the movies than in the corresponding books (and I don't recall him being added to any book in which he was not originally present). I do recall Japp replacing the inspector in some of the movies, though.

Daibhid C: "The Dream", "The Adventure of the Third Floor Flat", "Murder In Mesopotamia" "The Incredible Theft", "Murder In The Mews", "Four And Twenty Blackbirds"... But, yes, it's true that, while Hastings wasn't in many novels, he was in most of the short stories, so adding him to the others isn't a great example of the trope. Miss Lemon, on the other hand...

KJMackley: I took out the comments on Dr. McCoy and the Flash because they are not and never were extras.

Ununnilium: From the Sailor Moon example:
  • The actual show has been accused of this, fanfic frequently picking up on several former supposedly important villains and allies who should still be around but promptly forgotten about.

...what's the show being accused of?

  • This Troper loves Neph and used to agree about the Zoicite part, but Zoicite's relationship with Kunzite humanized and redeemed the guy a bit... and then he got killed off in a really heartwretching way. Sniffff.

Conversation in the Main Page. ...but I agree. ;-;

  • Barry the Chopper, who had appeared once as a temporary antagonist in the anime in fact was more important and had more screen-time in the manga.

Thus, not an example.

Pulling this out 'cause it's already in Video Games.

  • Kaorin from Azumanga Daioh appears a lot less often in the manga, ironically making her inclusion in the show more noticeable, as she has no character to play off of besides the oblivious Sakaki.
    • And Kimura. Much to Kaorin's chagrin, of course.

She really doesn't fit the "extra" mold, though. I'd call her an Ensemble Darkhorse.

  • Although Nayuki from Kanon is by no means a minor character, the author of the manga shoehorns her into plenty of scenes where she's not supposed to be, usually when she was originally waiting somewhere else while Yuuichi ran off having all the fun.

"By no means a minor character" means "not this trope". Possibly also Ensemble Darkhorse, possibly something else.
Prfnoff: She Loves Me is not an adaptation of The Shop Around The Corner. At least not officially — the obscure Hungarian play which the movie and the musical credit as source could well have been Lost in Imitation...
  • Ilona Ritter is one of the major supporting roles in the musical She Loves Me, with several songs and an entire subplot devoted to her romantic foibles. In the 1940 film The Little Shop Around The Corner, on which the show is based, Ilona is just another background employee in the parfumerie, never speaking and only referred to by name once.

Daibhid C: Added this, then re-read the description, and now I'm not sure if it counts because it's not an adaptation. It doesn't quite seem to fit Ensemble Darkhorse either though...
  • The Discworld novel Moving Pictures includes, as a very minor character, Victor Tuglebend's roommate, who spends hours cramming for his exams, only to get Victor's rigged paper with only one question ("Name?") That student's name: Ponder Stibbons. He reappears in Lords and Ladies as the Reader in Invisible Writings, and has become an increasingly important figure since, as the university's Token Sane Person.