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  • Parodied with the land of Djelibeybi in Terry Pratchett's Pyramids, from the Discworld series.

Okay, one more time... Fantasy Counterpart Cultures do not belong in Hollywood History.

Wascally Wabbit: A question for all the egyptologists out there: In most translations of the bible, and stories based on its language patterns, characters use 'Pharaoh' as though it were the king's proper name; 'Pharaoh commands you' as opposed to 'the Pharaoh commands you'. Is this an accurate depiction of how ancient egyptians would have spoken?

Maso Tey: Not an egyptologist here, and couldn't find an answer to that specific question, but three notes:
  1. The word wasn't used to refer to the ruler himself until about the 15th century BC, and wasn't used with the name (e.g., Pharaoh Hatshepsut) until the 10th century.  *
  2. If the events of Exodus took place, as many suppose, in the 13th century, then that's still at a point where the title was used without the name. Whether that makes it a substitute for the name (such as would be rendered into English without an article), ?????
  3. FWIW, the Egyptian language, by this time, did have articles. I haven't yet seen whether or not an article was used with the title Pharaoh.