This is discussion archived from a time before the current discussion method was installed.
Nat The Writer: Why was the "What Do You Mean, It's Not for Kids?" entry deleted?
- Preteens qualify as children.
...And now there's an Edit War. Lovely.
- Well, yeah. It was a good vehicle for discussion and people took it. It fits both the 'I can't believe kids this young are reading about cute kitties tearing each other's throats out!' idea and the 'for as graphic a series as this, the books are really low-level intellectually.' I have to admit, if I was in a certain mood, I would take perceived invitation to vent about how much of a Wall Banger I thought Sunrise was.
Nat The Writer: There's a special page for that. Have fun. :)
That's true, about it being a good vehicle for discussion, but the edit war wasn't exactly necessary. It should have been relocated to here—the discussion page, where such discussion should take place—earlier. It was getting pretty heated.
SonicPanther: It's true there has been Executive Meddling in Warriors ("Cruel Season", not "Sunset"!) but really, who are the fans that think this applies to the lack of fighting in the third series? I've never seen anyone that has suggested it, and I don't see how one might think that in the first place.
Gwen Stacy Wannabe: Think about it. Parents let their darling kiddies read the first series, some of the kiddies got traumatized because, well, Tigerstar was ripped open down his belly, parents wrote to HarperCollins and complained, HarperCollins got on the Erins' cases, and voila, we have Lighter and Softer Power of Three, books 1-3.
And there were quite a few fans who were thinking that, on Warrior's Wish
, actually.
SonicPanther: As somebody that considers the Warrior's Wish forum her internet home, I can't say I've seen complaining that suggested Executive Meddling - just complaining. It would also be rather unlike Vicky to never mention that she was told to tone it down by her publishers, as she openly expressed her disdain for book six's title being changed. And besides, Eclipse had plenty of fighting, and Long Shadows had a major death in it, so everything seems to be pretty Warriors-y now. Why would they restrict the violence in the series and then allow it to be brought back on a whim?
Gwen Stacy Wannabe: Oh...okay, maybe that was just me then. But you have to admit, it was a little suspicious...
Dark Hunter: Hmm... under Thou Shalt Not Kill it says that the main characters of the first two series have killed their half-brothers. While this is true in Brambleclaw's case, when did Firestar even have a half-brother? He killed Scourge, who was totally unrelated to him. Removing that bit.
Gwen Stacy Wannabe: No, Scourge is Firestar's half-brother, according to Word of God. Seriously. Vicky said so after The Rise of Scourge came out.
Dark Hunter: My mistake. Hadn't heard that tidbit.
How is Spottedleaf a Stalker with a Crush ?
Dark Hunter: Highly cynical take on her watching over Firestar and his descendants (StarClan watches over all cats, yes, but she seems to have devoted herself to his bloodline)?
Dark Hunter: I know this series is somewhat graphic, but is it really violent enough to be Gorn? That would seem to give the wrong impression, methinks. Animorphs was more graphic than this series, and it's avoided that label.
Anyone care to make a comparison to William Horwood's Duncton series?
Nitrogen DS: I don't believe I recall the moon ever turning anything green, nor do I think the moon changing things different colors falls under You Fail Physics Forever. I edited the line out mainly for the latter reason.
- It was replaced for some reason unknown to me. I read the quote, and it just says that the moon changed the shade of the already green moss. That makes sense to me. It just washed out the colors. It didn't turn the already green moss green. O_o And again, I don't believe it falls under You Fail Physics Forever.
- And as a third thing, people really, really need to stop quoting unreliable fan posts from a fan forum. We all know what kind of a Fan Dumb Warriors has, and we simply cannot trust anything the fans babble about on their sites.
- But we can trust quotes. It says everything, not just moss. Since it's not physics, what would that fall under?
Inside the sleeping area, the ground was lined with soft moss, and the pale moonlight turned everything a delicate shade of green.
- But doesn't 'everything' refer to the soft moss and not literally *everything*? I mean, I don't suspect the author was trying to tell us that the moon spontaneously made the entire world change to green. And if the majority of everything in the forest is already green, how is it weird that the lighting changed the shade of it? That makes perfect sense. Things seem to change colors depending on the kind of lighting. That is what the author was trying to convey, I assume.
- If she meant the moss, she wouldn't have said everything. Besides, turning green moss green doesn't make sense either if it's already green.
- But it's the shade of the green that's being changed color.
- It's not just moss. There've been some scenes where leaves and corn turn silver.
- I can imagine how it would look silvery in the moonlight. Has no one here except me actually been out at night when the moon is full? I mean, seriously. Look at leaves when you're out taking a walk in the moonlight. They do look silvery. I can see what the author was trying to say, and I'm puzzled that no one else can.
- It was replaced for some reason unknown to me. I read the quote, and it just says that the moon changed the shade of the already green moss. That makes sense to me. It just washed out the colors. It didn't turn the already green moss green. O_o And again, I don't believe it falls under You Fail Physics Forever.
- Well, it would seem the closest thing it would fall under is Weird Moon, and it doesn't really fall under that at all.
And since this was taking up room on the main page...
- Did anyone else noticed that unless the clan cats have very long tails, their butts would have to be in the other cat's face to cover that cat's mouth with their tail?
- It's more one cat is sitting slightly further ahead than the other one, and the second cat is usually an apprentice or kit who would be sitting down by their side. It's not a stretch at all.
- That's an odd position in which to have a conversation, as opposed to face-to-face interaction.
- That's the thing, the tail-over-mouth thing only happens when characters are in that position. It's only done when two characters are speaking with another, not two characters in a face-to-face conversation.
- When two characters are speaking to each other, one with their butt in the other's face?
Jaykit lifted his chin defiantly. "We were trying to protect the Clan.""One day you will," Leafpool promised. "But first you need to learn as much as you can, which includes learning not to go off by yourself!""Do you think Firestar will delay my apprenticeship because of this?" he mewed, suddenly anxious.Leafpool drew the tip of her tail gently around his ears and said nothing.- But they're cats. Think of it more as having a conversation with your back turned to someone as opposed to it being a butt-to-face conversation. It's like in the movies when someone is looking out the window with their back to the person speaking with them. You always have to remind yourself that they're cats, and it's not the equivalent of someone speaking to you with their butt in your face. That's just awkward.
- Yet the cat's conversation partner would be looking at the cat's butt, not their back.
- But if they didn't walk on all fours, and instead stood up on two legs, the conversation partner would be looking at their back. Again, they're felines.
- Which means this hypothetical walking on two legs is superfluous.
- I think you just completely missed the point of what was said.
- I'm not sure if the Erins know this, but cats really don't do eye-contact like people do. They're actually pretty likely to have a conversation without looking at each other.
- Did anyone else noticed that unless the clan cats have very long tails, their butts would have to be in the other cat's face to cover that cat's mouth with their tail?
