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With how much artificial intelligence has been improving, in many areas such as text reading/generation, picture reading, picture generation, convincing voice synthesis and more, I think there's a lot that can be discussed, about the effects that this technology will have on society.

I'll start off with one example.

I'd been thinking about the enshittification cycle of tech, and I think it's coming for Google hard. The search engine just isn't so great at finding what you actually want, and I think that's gonna leave a big opening for Bing with their use of AI. If the AI can sift through the crap and actually find what you want for real, due to its understanding of language, it'll actually make searching super useful again.

In the pre-Google internet, search engines used to search only for exact words and phrases, which had its uses, but also meant finding a lot of sites that simply crammed in a lot of popular words and phrases to get visitors. Google cut through the crap with a better understanding of how to "rank" sites relative to how relevant they are, and even find sites that are on the topic you were looking for without using the same exact words.

But Google started to become more advertiser-friendly, then later, more shareholder-friendly. There's a limit to how much one can make their product built entirely around shareholder growth, so as it turns to crap, it leaves an opening for a competitor to show up.

Since Bing/ChatGPT (which Bing is plugged into now) understands the use of language, it can actually understand context and determine relevance based on that. And that'll make it huge, I think. Context-based understanding of web pages can potentially do an excellent job of finding what people actually want, in a way that goes way beyond Google's page ranking systems, or the examination of exact words.

Edited by BonsaiForest on Dec 10th 2023 at 6:15:29 AM

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#651: Apr 26th 2024 at 3:56:08 AM

Oh, I don't mean defamatory to the person being insulted. I mean defamatory towards the person who's being replicated by AI. Misrepresentation etc.

Edited by RainehDaze on Apr 26th 2024 at 11:56:37 AM

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DeMarquis Since: Feb, 2010
#652: Apr 27th 2024 at 3:46:51 PM

Did he use it to make money?

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#653: Apr 27th 2024 at 4:42:14 PM

I mean, it's part of a rap track, right? I'd imagine that's a 'yes'.

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#654: Apr 27th 2024 at 7:04:46 PM

Dumbest thing about it is, like most people who don't think things any further than the now now, the dude apparently used his school email on the school's computer to sign up for the program.

Edited by terumokou on Apr 27th 2024 at 7:10:28 AM

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archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#655: Apr 28th 2024 at 2:24:13 AM

[up][up][up][up] How would that work? One of the people who’s voice was copied is dead, meaning they can’t be defamed, and the other would have to prove damage to his reputation and actual malice against him by the person doing the defaming, which given the particulars here seems like it would be basically impossible. As far as impersonation, that crime requires the act to be done with the intent to deceive others. I don’t think the intent in this song was to convince people Tupac had risen from the grave.

They should have sent a poet.
DeMarquis Since: Feb, 2010
#656: Apr 28th 2024 at 12:56:37 PM

I'm thinking more copyright infringement.

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#657: Apr 28th 2024 at 2:47:43 PM

the main reason i ask, is because I'm pretty confident that if i uploaded "Tupac vs Elvis, Rap Battle!" to youtube, and i voiced both characters with no AI assistance, i would be legally in the clear, even if i did a really good voice impression and sounded just like both of them. So either the copyright infringement applies to that as well, or the case needs to clarify exactly why using ai specifically violated copyright

"direct samples of their voice were used to create the ai" is one possible direction to go with, but that would be a very big legal decision that would invalidate pretty much all generative ai currently available. it would have much bigger implications than this video, anyway

Edited by Tremmor19 on Apr 28th 2024 at 5:52:23 AM

DeMarquis Since: Feb, 2010
#658: Apr 28th 2024 at 4:32:27 PM

The issue is that no one could confuse the actors in the rap battle videos for the real thing, thus it doesn't impinge on the property rights of the original artist (or their estate in the case of their death). An AI generated voice, on the other hand...

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#659: Apr 28th 2024 at 4:39:33 PM

that's a valid idea— so if it's very obvious that it's fake, that would be a good line to draw? like, elvis would be fine (obviously did not make a rap diss track), but not tupac?

DeMarquis Since: Feb, 2010
#660: Apr 28th 2024 at 5:13:05 PM

According to Wikipedia: "To win a claim of copyright infringement in civil or criminal court, a plaintiff must show he or she owns a valid copyright, the defendant actually copied the work, and the level of copying amounts to misappropriation. Under the doctrine of substantial similarity, a work can be found to infringe copyright even if the wording of text has been changed or visual or audible elements are altered."

A parody, however, would fall under Fair Use.

Edited by DeMarquis on Apr 28th 2024 at 8:13:18 AM

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#661: May 13th 2024 at 3:29:14 PM

the new model of GPT-4, GPT-4o, was announced today, and here's the full demonstration of it from OpenAI employee Greg Brockman.

Friggen H.E.R. levels of eerie, but a game changer in terms of a lot of stuff, such as tutoring or translating.

Edited by Demongodofchaos2 on May 13th 2024 at 6:29:51 AM

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BonsaiForest Since: Jan, 2001
#662: May 14th 2024 at 6:11:50 AM

This is a perfect example of something I can see so much good and so much bad coming from.

Parasocial relationships, kids preferring to talk to the AI instead of other people (not great for teaching social skills), lonely people "dating" an AI, and even neurodivergent people being told they're less natural than an AI.

At the same time, tutoring and translation do seem like excellent uses for this.

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#663: May 14th 2024 at 6:45:54 AM

Major ChatGPT-4o update allows audio-video talks with an “emotional” AI chatbot: New GPT-4o model can sing a bedtime story, detect facial expressions, read emotions.

Here's the video:

https://www.youtube.com/live/DQacCB9tDaw?si=e6glAClZ--RLrkKq

(Not sure how to embed a live stream on here.)

Very interesting indeed. I am very curious how this new version would handle teaching a language class.

Edited by Redmess on May 14th 2024 at 3:47:30 PM

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#664: May 16th 2024 at 12:10:31 PM

This Hollywood Reporter article is claiming that everyone in Hollywood is already using AI and they’re too scared to admit it:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/hollywood-ai-artificial-intelligence-cannes-1235900202/

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#665: May 16th 2024 at 12:44:44 PM

Sounds like unsubstantiated claptrap to me.

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#666: May 16th 2024 at 12:47:37 PM

pretty much,people are using it and they're not hiding it,saying 'everyone is using it' is trying to drown out people's issues with using it

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archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#667: May 16th 2024 at 6:09:00 PM

[up][up] I don’t know if unsubstantiated is the word I’d use, given the direct examples of AI use and the numerous statements from industry leaders and insiders that article contains.

They should have sent a poet.
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#668: May 16th 2024 at 6:31:06 PM

[up][up][up]The video-game industry is at 60% adoption rate when devs are given the concession of anonymity.... And anecdotally speaking the industry artists I work with all use it for various things along the process at this point, normally rapid concepting and shading work.

So I wouldn't be supervised about that claim at all.

[up][up] No they very much are being quite about it even if they aren't actively hiding it, because no one wants to deal with twitter.

Edited by Imca on May 16th 2024 at 10:33:27 PM

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#669: May 16th 2024 at 6:33:01 PM

[up]I mean I can understand that… as long as people are coding and humans are doing the creative stuff.

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Imca (Veteran)
#670: May 16th 2024 at 6:37:57 PM

Yea, generaly speaking the people that are quite about it are bottom up adoption, rather then a top down mandate.

Its the artists themself realizing they can shave hours of work off of there task, and focus more on the parts of the job they actually care about.

Its when the CEO's get the idea that "We can use this to reduce costs" that the industry gets loud about it.

Edit: It seems Adobe generative fill also sees a fair amount of use amongst developers....

I will admit I don't really have much experiance with what that particular tool does.

Edited by Imca on May 16th 2024 at 10:46:55 PM

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#671: May 16th 2024 at 6:51:27 PM

[up]Better that than actually erase jobs. Especially the creative jobs.

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#672: May 16th 2024 at 7:27:24 PM

I mostly use it, as a developer, for "I'm pretty sure this can be simpler, but I don't want to spend five minutes fighting with Java's syntax just to reply to someone". Which, obviously, is also inexperience in my part, but it's useful. And the fact I'm recognising that it could be simplified as part of responding shows that... it's really not that apparent.

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#673: May 16th 2024 at 11:00:39 PM

More generally related:

https://www.oneusefulthing.org/p/detecting-the-secret-cyborgs

Today, billions of people have access to Large Language Models and the productivity benefits that they bring. [...] But the inventors aren’t telling their companies about their discoveries; they are the secret cyborgs, machine-augmented humans who keep themselves hidden.

There are at least three reasons these cyborgs stay secret. But they all boil down to the same thing: people don’t want to get in trouble.

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#674: May 16th 2024 at 11:14:44 PM

Yea, generaly speaking the people that are quite about it are bottom up adoption, rather then a top down mandate. (...) Its when the CEO's get the idea that "We can use this to reduce costs" that the industry gets loud about it.

Could that be why some generative AI tools are developed and used as means to replace workers, and some tools are developed and used to aid workers? I speculate that the latter is more common in tools for developers (e.g. Github Copilot) and the former for visual artists, though I don't know if there is research on this question.

Edited by minseok42 on May 16th 2024 at 11:15:03 AM

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#675: May 17th 2024 at 6:40:06 AM

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Well,

David Defendi, a French screenwriter and founder of Genario, a bespoke AI software system designed for film and television writers

and

Besaleel [...] developed in-house by his postproduction company AIO

Might have a strong interest in telling everyone secretely loves and uses the product they are selling. And, contrary to saying 9/10 dentist recommend Toothpaste S.A., this statement is much harder to prove or disprove...

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