Seasonal Rot / Sequelitis / Audience Alienating Era Cleanup

Removed, wrong thread.

Edited by Glowsquid on Nov 25th 2023 at 3:57:40 PM

I've asked here if Audience-Alienating Era doesn't apply if the work ends on it never recovering, as that's more than an Era but permanent and equivalent to Jumping the Shark which is in-universe examples only.

Also thoughts on AAE require the Era passing so we know it was just an Era as opposed to permanent?

Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught on Dec 13th 2023 at 9:00:55 AM

Bumping this comment (made by another Tropers since it hasn't been responded).

There are PLENTY of "This was the actual end era for the creator or work" on the Anime and Manga page which I think are NOT allowed.

I know it's too early, but as far as the DCEU is concerned, we can safely say that the audience-alientaing era started with "Birds of Prey", right?

I think it started well before that.

The DCEU was never really that good to begin with.

True. But it's the first in a long series of many films to lose money (other than Justice League) for the studio, and if Audience Alienating Era is about a decline in popularity rather than quality, I think this can count for DC movies as a whole.

Well, like you said, it's too early. You'll have to wait till 2025.

The DC films were always controversial and uneven in terms of box office performance and critical/audience response, so I wouldn't call Birds of Prey any particular sign of a decline.

Bumping this one as well. Any opinions?

Edited by Siegfried1337 on Dec 20th 2023 at 8:09:29 AM

I would like to propose a few minor changes if that's okay, because there are a couple of redundant sentences and typos here and there.

• Audience-Alienating Era: Season 3 is considered to be a dark age among fans. While it initially had a strong start with "Dante vs. Bayonetta", it quickly fell off afterwards, with at least half of the episodes suffering from poor animation, lack of research and/or bias towards certain characters. The better episodes were overshadowed by the amount of disappointing fights, culminating in the underwhelming finale of "Deadpool vs. Pinkie Pie". Additionally, Death Battle X replaced 1 Minute Melee as a side series, and initial consensus was that it was inferior due to the experimental style. Fortunately, the creators managed to rectify their mistakes by refining their research and the animation, as well as introducing a hand-written style to further enhance the quality of the battles. The Season 4 Finale, "Sephiroth vs. Vergil" is agreed to be a massive improvement compared to the previous one, and Death Battle X also improved on everything else to the point that it's agreed to be on par with or even better than 1 Minute Melee. While later seasons have had a few disappointing matchups, they are nowhere near the poor quality of Season 3.

Edited by TantaMonty on Dec 21st 2023 at 4:22:22 AM

• Bionicle's early 2006 marketing with its "hip" narrator in the toy adverts, rap songs, visuals that resembled spray-painted graffiti, and basically everything related to the Piraka sets was a huge shift in tone that tainted the year in many fans' minds, despite the actual toys and story being very well received. The Darker and Edgier promos from the year's second half that had a fetish for chain fences, rain and brooding pop-punk music also count, as do the odd, vaguely out-of-place rubber heads with bizarre grins or Liefeldian scowls (with little in-between) that the designers kept giving to the characters.

Considering that the year ended, I recently added a section to Seasonal Rot about the mostly negative reception to 2023 projects in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Did I violate No Recent Examples, Please!?

(Edit: Read through, saw "one year after the season has ended", I most likely violated it, deleted the section.)

Edited by NotGonnaDoALot4 on May 1st 2024 at 10:31:48 AM

This may be overly reactionary on my part, but does anyone else think the Xbox entry on Video Games (and, especially, the bit quoted) to have aged ridiculously poorly?:

For additional context, the Xbox Series hardware has been selling terribly in the past years and with that there's been increasingly vocal question of Phil Spencer's tenure at Xbox and his "good guy" image. I don't know how to go around rewriting it though.

Is it safe to say Tim Burton is out of his Era with the success of Wednesday? Or should we wait for the reaction to Beetlejuice Beetlejuice to see whether he's truly out of it yet?

Edited by PhiSat on May 7th 2024 at 12:49:47 PM

Burton's AAE is kind of debatable, since it seems like at multiple points he's gotten out of it. Like for example, when did it start? Was it the Planet of the Apes (2001) reboot? The Charlie and the Chocolate Factory remake? Dark Shadows? Because after all those movies he would release a film that would Win Back the Crowd to some extent (Big Fish, Sweeney Todd, and Big Eyes, respectively). He seems to be a creator who can put in the effort, but screws up frequently. It’s hard to tell given how much his films vary in quality past The '90s.

I guess then he simply doesnt fit the binary of a creator who has an era that alienates people, meaning he's not an example.

I’d say hide the Xbox entry for now. As while it has aged a bit we should avoid snap judgements wherever possible