The Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment exists to prevent tropers from making agenda-based edits or bringing up irrelevant controversial issues, but it's not always obvious if something breaks the rule or not. This thread serves the purposes of:
- Getting consensus on cutting overly controversial edits.
- Rewriting biased examples to be more neutral.
- Pre-emptively clarifying if a possible example actually violates the rule, or if it's okay to add.
- Making sure that the rule isn't just being used as an excuse to write a Zero-Context Example ("Some people think that X is Y, and that's all we have to say about it.")
See also the thread "Trump and ROCEJ
" for the specific topic of tropers sneaking their political views (not just views regarding Donald Trump, despite the title) onto the wiki.
See Pages Attracting Edits That Promote Bigotry for pages that attract ROCEJ violations that are bigoted in nature.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Feb 16th 2023 at 5:25:14 AM
Sorry as well.
Music to Invade Poland to has some very insensitive examples, particularly ones related to recent events. it also contains natter and soapboxing as well. i'm not really sure what to do with it.
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
Which examples in particular? (You gotta remember to please provide the citations, because checking is difficult with no context beyond "it's there")
Edited by WarJay77 on May 1st 2024 at 3:46:58 PM
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It was most likely the two bottom-most examples in the Real Life section, which can be removed as non-examples anyway without considering the ROCEJ.
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
I figured, but if it's a real life section problem it doesn't belong on this thread... and the post is vague enough to apply to other things too.
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It’s not just the real life section. Examples of Richard Wagner are a bit problematic as well.
Edited by namra on May 1st 2024 at 2:14:26 AM
Okay then. Which examples would you like us to take a look at?
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Edited by RallyBot2 on May 1st 2024 at 5:15:15 AM
On the music section of Wagner.
This was just added to Fridge.Beauty And The Beast, and something about the way it tries to connect Gaston to a real-world crime incident just feels wrong to me.
- Gaston's fixation on Belle, after being rejected by her, takes on a darker connotation when one realizes that this parallels some real-life horror stories of men who lashed out after being rejected by women; mainly the 1989 case of Japanese high school student Junko Furuta, who was known for being studious and bookish and turned down Hiroshi Miyano, a boy known to have ties to local gang leaders, when he asked her out on a date. Miyano had never been refused before and was so incensed at the rejection that he devised a plan similar to Gaston's to "save" the girl he wanted. In Junko's case, Miyano had one of his gang members assault Junko and steal her bike on her way home from work, with him conveniently across the street to swoop in and protect her (not that different from Gaston's plan to "save" Belle's father and get her to marry him). The similarities end there, as Miyano proceed to entrap Junko and subject her to some of the most horrific torture ever documented in the history of True Crime. But it's shocking to think that - had Gaston drawn out the facade a little while longer and allowed Belle to think he had "saved" her father, things may well gone very differently, and have led to a much harsher outcome for Belle (see: Stupid Evil).
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
That's absolutely gotta go. Maybe there's some fridge about Gaston being a potential abuser / yandere type, but we really do not need to connect it to a real life tragedy (especially since it's just way too extreme and there's no reason to think a character in a Disney movie would be that fucking twisted)
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I wanna be a cowboy, baby
Can shapeshift (probably)
...Prod that mention of a disgusting act of terrorism out of here with the nearest pole, holy shit.
Silver and gold, silver and gold
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
I, uh, wouldn't call what they did "terrorism", but yeah
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Is it okay if I send a notifier to the person who added it? That entry was added today and I feel it'd be good to explain why adding this kind of stuff to fridge pages is considered off mission.
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
Yeah, go for it.
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Do it ASAP plz.
This post on the last page hasn't been answered yet.
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This doozy is on Schindler's List:
- Memetic Mutation:
- Documentary of the Amazon Warehouses. Explanation
I am not going to claim that nobody has ever made this kind of joke in the history of the internet. But is this really a meme, let alone an appropriate way of referencing a film about a very real historical catastrophe?
Burn it with fire.
Nintendo Fanatic Extraordinaire
That is an easy cut.
Though there are allegations that Jeff Bezos made his employees work in poor conditions, he has no interest in committing genocide. The meme completely trivializes the Holocaust.
TV Tropes cannot condone Holocaust revisionism, even as a meme.
Edited by Nen_desharu on May 8th 2024 at 10:30:16 AM
Kirby is awesome.
Plakis Morakis
My problem is less with the dark humor involved, and more that I'm not sure if the joke is common enough to count as a meme.
Welcome to Ideal's World
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
As always, yes, dark humor memes are still memes and we don't whitewash actual fan discourse.
But if it isn't even a meme it can be cut.
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Oh, OK sorry.
Edited by MewLettuceRush on Apr 29th 2024 at 6:12:40 AM