Setting Up Trope Relationships

I'm not sure there's much of one beyond the fact that sometimes they might overlap. Cosmetically Different Sides seems to be about power-scaling and utility roles (things may look completely different, but they function exactly the same way). Colour Coded Armies is about assigning specific colours to specific armies to make things easier for the player. The two tropes can easily be in play at the same time, but I don't think there's any natural relationship between them beyond the topic of "making it easier to develop a playable game"; that might count for indexing purposes, but not really for establishing a familial relationship between the two.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Aug 8th 2023 at 4:54:10 PM

Spell My Name With An S has been renamed Inconsistent Spelling (pending a description rewrite); it is no longer a viable subtrope of Common Knowledge, so I have removed it.

Are No Periods, Period and Nobody Poops, Tropes in Aggregate?

The former definitely seems like it's Tropes in Aggregate to me because if periods themselves aren't mentioned, then being "at that age" is usually the first thing related to it brought up, meaning both are on the opposite of two extremes (like No Bisexuals or Black Dude Dies First).

I want to say Nobody Poops should be labed a TIA as well, but I feel like that trope can never decide what the hell it wants to be (though FWIW lots of people on the site have noticed it has its issues), so I can't really chime in from my vantage.

Whoever wrote Death of Personality's description is seriously misunderstanding what "subtrope" means, because several of the tropes (e.g. Grand Theft Me and Fake Memories) that are listed as "subtropes" at best have partial overlap with it.

Anyone else disagree?

Well... if PlayingWith.Death Of Personality is right, then they're subtropes of "Downplayed: Bob suffers a blow to the head and has his personality changed noticeably."

Because if those aren't personality changes, I wouldn't know what is?

You don't get it. To be a subtrope, every example of it has to also qualify as an example of the supertrope. Not all examples of Grand Theft Me or Fake Memories involve an erasure of the original mind/personality; in the former trope's case, the original person may still be trapped inside their body or ejected into another one (or even turned into a disembodied ghost), while in the latter trope's case, the entry on Death of Personality has the immediately damning qualifier of "if there are enough of them", implicitly admitting that you can have Fake Memories without leading to Death of Personality.

What I'm seeing is that the person who wrote the article appears to have misunderstood "subtrope" as including tropes that are used as methods to enact the desired trope, which is most definitely wrong.

Oh, yeah. I see what you mean.

Is Short Teens, Tall Adults a Trope in Aggregate?

It's about the majority of teens a work being shorter than adults. It can't just be about one teen who's short next to the adults.

Trope in Aggregate is for tropes that get their meaning from being used across multiple works, not just from the presence of several examples in a single work. In other words, TIA is when a trope is a trope due to being a meaningful pile of sand, even if the grains on their own are meaningless.

Is Barbie Doll Anatomy just Non-Humans Lack Attributes but for humans? Or is their relationship something else?

A.k.a should this BDA example be split up and the non-humans go on their own trope?

• Titan Quest has this as well: the player will often encounter casually nude stone statues in the Greek style, but due to the game's T rating, they lack junk. This was also the case with many of the monsters, such as the harpies and medusae.

Edited by Malady on Sep 28th 2023 at 6:39:06 AM

So I take it nobody has objections to pruning Death of Personality's alleged subtropes?

Opposites Attract seems to be for, as the Laconic says:

With physical opposites like Huge Guy, Tiny Girl being related, but not subtropes, and the part that counts about this example being the personality parts, with the initial physical part being secondary?

Or are they subtropes but Opposites Attract is just not indexing them in its "Popular Opposites Attract dynamic tropes" list?

Edited by Malady on Oct 14th 2023 at 12:35:26 PM

Is Perpetual Storm a Super-Trope of Cyberpunk with a Chance of Rain like the former implies or is it just overlap?

Is Green Thumb a subtrope of Biomanipulation since it says:

This is, quite literally, the power to manipulate biology and biological lifeforms (mostly animals, usually not plants)

And therefore we seem to be missing the ability to manipulate animal biomatter without plant biomatter?

Biomanipulation seems to be saying that it is the animal-based version and that anything plant-related should go under Green Thumb. What we seem to be missing is a parent trope that covers both animal and plant manipulation, rather than one or the other. I'd say that "biomanipulation" would be a good name for the all-encompassing parent trope, but "biomanipulation" is already a pre-existing term in the biological sciences for something that has nothing to do with the magical manipulation of either animal- or plant- based matter.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Nov 3rd 2023 at 12:45:25 PM

Powers Wiki calls the broader one, "Organic Manipulation"? How's that sound?

Also, some Biomanipulation seems to be mixing plant and animal already, Rose Quartz, Castle Town Dandelion, so maybe TRS??

Edited by Malady on Nov 3rd 2023 at 6:02:48 AM

Wick Check to see how widespread the use is for plants? Otherwise, we'd just move it straight to Green Thumb, wouldn't we?

Thanks! Gonna put that in my Sandbox so I remember!

Is Racist Grandma a subtrope of Deliberate Values Dissonance? Or just a sibling?

What's the relationship between Naked Freak-Out and Please Put Some Clothes On? Because this isn't Full-Frontal Assault, but not sure what it is.

• Not the intended use (Zantetsuken Reverse): Chapter 16:
  During one of the experiment sessions, Soma accidentally walked out of the bathroom naked in front of Mina and all his friends. Cue a lot of yelling.

Edited by Malady on Nov 8th 2023 at 9:12:42 AM

Human Sacrifice isn't always an Offerings to the Gods, right? Sometimes it's just for magic or harvesting Life Energy? No gods required?

That's correct. The definition of Human Sacrifice says that it's "often as an offering to a deity, demon or some other supernatural entity," which implies that it sometimes isn't.

Now that Otherworldly Technicolour Hair has been created, do you agree that Mystical White Hair should be made into a subtrope of it? Near as I can tell, they have the exact same connotation, it's just that Mystical White Hair is about one specific unnatural hair colour.

EDIT: Also just realised that Otherworldly Technicolour Hair needs a redirect in American English spelling.

Edited by DoktorvonEurotrash on Nov 14th 2023 at 4:53:54 AM

Bumping my question above.

If no-one objects, I'll go ahead and list Mystical White Hair as a subtrope of Otherworldly Technicolour Hair.

What makes a Cool Ship not a Cool Boat? Cool Ship just travels the water, so a submarine would count?

But Cool Boat-s travel ontop of the water?

Can something be a Living Ship and a Cool Boat? Or do they have some non-sisterly relationship?

Edited by Malady on Nov 18th 2023 at 1:44:40 AM

In sequence,

• Cool Ship page lists two others.
• Cool Boat is surface to me, so subs can default to Cool Ship.
• Don't see why not, the two are not exclusive.

Edited by Amonimus on Nov 18th 2023 at 1:12:06 PM