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Today I found out an interesting fact from troper Ironeye:

Don't ever make the mistake of using the Laconic version as the canonical trope meaning—the laconics are often written by people who don't actually understand the drop. In this case, the laconic only corresponds to one possible cause of Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy.

The Laconic Description for DIAA states as follows:

The thing is, these descriptions are supposed to make it easier to understand what the page is about. If they can't be accurate as well as short and sweet, then there's a problem.

So for starters, what would be a better description for DIAA?

Edited by MacronNotes on Jan 29th 2023 at 6:23:45 AM

Ayumi-chan Aramis from Calvard (Apprentice) Relationship Status: Serial head-patter
#2876: Apr 30th 2024 at 3:12:16 AM

Here the description for Laconic.Eiyuden Chronicle Hundred Heroes, which screams Fan Myopia

A Spiritual Successor to the beloved and long-defunct JRPG franchise Suikoden, crowdfunded and made by the creative minds that brought Suikoden to life.

Edited by Ayumi-chan on Apr 30th 2024 at 6:12:28 PM

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MurlocAggroB from the second-most ridiculous province of Canada Since: May, 2015
#2877: Apr 30th 2024 at 8:33:12 AM

[up] I don't know about Fan Myopia, but it's certainly gushing. Easy to simplify it to "A Spiritual Successor to the JRPG series Suikoden by the original creators."

CanuckMcDuck1 Anime Guy from Rhode Island Since: Sep, 2023 Relationship Status: Hey, how you doin', let me whisper in your ear
Anime Guy
#2878: Apr 30th 2024 at 8:48:06 AM

[up]Well that doesn’t really explain the plot of the game. If you don’t know what Suikoden is, then that isn’t going to explain what it’s about.

I’m sorry, but you have Stage 9 Animes.
MurlocAggroB from the second-most ridiculous province of Canada Since: May, 2015
#2879: Apr 30th 2024 at 9:58:59 AM

[up] It explains that it's a JRPG.

If somebody else wants to make a different one, fine, but unless we get something better we might as well improve what's already there.

UchuuFlamenco Since: Jul, 2017
#2880: Apr 30th 2024 at 1:07:02 PM

I think any laconic that relies on the reader to be familiar with a different work than the one it's being described is a bad laconic.

Which is a lot of laconics out there, but still.

Diesel Konstruktor Since: Jun, 2013 Relationship Status: Abstaining
Konstruktor
#2881: May 2nd 2024 at 12:02:37 PM

A Mother's Touch has two laconics, and I'm not sure which one to cut. I know X Meets Y and Recycled In Space-style laconics are forbidden, but I don't know about What If? ones, particularly since this is a fanfic.

A former biker turned housewife decides to change the world through her love and compassion.

or

"What if Yoko Sakaki became more involved in Yu-Gi-Oh! ARC-V starting with the Reiji Akaba's attempted buy-out of her husband's school?"

MurlocAggroB from the second-most ridiculous province of Canada Since: May, 2015
#2882: May 2nd 2024 at 1:06:36 PM

[up] Keep the first. "What If other work but different" is just another way of saying Recycled In Space.

EDIT: I didn't realise this was a fanfic at first. Maybe the second is more descriptive in that case.

Edited by MurlocAggroB on May 2nd 2024 at 2:07:49 AM

MegaJ Since: Oct, 2009
#2883: May 6th 2024 at 9:14:23 AM

Faux Action Girl is currently:

How about: The Action Girl's skill and capability is told to the audience, but rarely shown or displayed.

DoktorvonEurotrash Since: Jan, 2001
#2884: May 7th 2024 at 4:39:41 AM

[up]I don't mind the current one, but your suggestion is better.

CanuckMcDuck1 Anime Guy from Rhode Island Since: Sep, 2023 Relationship Status: Hey, how you doin', let me whisper in your ear
Anime Guy
#2885: May 7th 2024 at 5:56:26 AM

[up][up]Yeah, I think either description works fine. It’s just the former is more goofy, is all.

I’m sorry, but you have Stage 9 Animes.
MegaJ Since: Oct, 2009
#2886: May 7th 2024 at 7:32:58 AM

[up][up]Changed, moved the original to the "back to the unabridged version"

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She / Her
#2887: May 11th 2024 at 2:48:13 AM

[up](x6) I prefer the first one.


Laconic.He Who Fights Monsters mentions the character being out for vengeance when I didn't see anything on the main page stating it has to involve that. Can I remove that detail?

AoeAbility Disco Dan of the Tumblr Era from Personal Evil Tower of Ominousness Since: Mar, 2021 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Disco Dan of the Tumblr Era
#2888: May 14th 2024 at 10:26:19 PM

Laconic.Vorkosigan Saga has got to be the least informative laconic page I've seen in a while, and even as a person who never read it, I am convinced it should be rewritten.

You keep using the term "POV". I do not think it means what you think it means.
DoktorvonEurotrash Since: Jan, 2001
#2889: May 15th 2024 at 5:33:20 AM

[up]OK, how the hell did anyone think that was ever a good Laconic?

Haven't read it either, so I can't help.

Edited by DoktorvonEurotrash on May 15th 2024 at 5:33:32 AM

Malady (Not-So-Newbie)
#2890: May 15th 2024 at 5:36:47 AM

From the work page:

The majority of the stories feature Miles Vorkosigan, son of the Prime Minister of the Empire of Barrayar, who was born short, hunchbacked and with brittle bones as the result of a chemical assassination attempt on his father while his mother was pregnant. The series follows, roughly in chronological order, his parents' meeting and his birth, his construction of a Secret Identity as the admiral of a mercenary fleet, his loss of this identity, and his subsequent reconstruction of his life.

So, it's a history of a guy?

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CanuckMcDuck1 Anime Guy from Rhode Island Since: Sep, 2023 Relationship Status: Hey, how you doin', let me whisper in your ear
Anime Guy
#2891: May 15th 2024 at 6:30:19 AM

[up]Having looked into it, how about:

Sci-Fi Genre Mashup about a Guile Hero going on adventures and solving mysteries while dealing with his double life and political intrigue.

I’m sorry, but you have Stage 9 Animes.
Malady (Not-So-Newbie)
#2892: May 15th 2024 at 6:37:19 AM

Yeah, that sounds right, from what examples come from it.

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