Ukraine protests: Thousands march through capital
- over 100,000 by some counts
Ukrainian protesters besiege government building
Clashes amid huge Ukraine protest against U-turn on EU
Over 300,000 defy protest ban in Ukraine- "Fierce clashes erupt after protesters take to streets again, chanting "revolution" as anger against government grows."
What started as a protest against the decision not to sign an agreement with the EU seems to have escalated into a "Color Revolution" or "Arab Spring" style movement to force the government to resign. By some reports, the police are using violent tactics to suppress the street protests.
The Western half of the Ukraine has historically felt closer to Europe , and wants to move Ukrainian society in that direction. Eastern Ukraine feels culturally closer to Russia, and favors closer relations with that country. The current regime of President Viktor Yanukovich is part of that camp. The current confrontations can be seen as a clash between these two halves of Ukrainian society.
EDIT (2/24/2022)
This thread was originally opened in 2013 during the beginning of the revolt in Ukraine that eventually over-threw the dictatorship of the Yanukovyich regime and instituted democratic elections soon afterward. As of this writing, in the aftermath of the Russian invasion that began on 2/23, it is not clear whether or for how long Ukraine will continue to exist as an independent country.
Statements made nine years ago still seem relevant: "The Western half of the Ukraine has historically felt closer to Europe , and wants to move Ukrainian society in that direction. Eastern Ukraine feels culturally closer to Russia, and favors closer relations with that country... The current confrontations can be seen as a clash between these two halves of Ukrainian society." Some people have expressed the view that the confrontation between Russia and Ukraine, beginning in 2014, never really ended.
The invasion is also a result of certain grievances proclaimed by Vladimir Putin, the current President of Russia, and used by him as justification for armed attack and occupation. Western governments, and others around the world, have joined together in condemnation of this attack.
While we do not know what the ultimate outcome of these events will be, this thread will continue to be made available as a place to record news, ask questions and express opinions about the "Crisis in Ukraine."
This map will help track the latest developments.
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Edited by Tabs on Mar 20th 2022 at 4:26:26 AM
Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, May 8, 2024
- Russia conducted a missile strike on Ukraine.
- Satellite imagery indicates that Russia sustains losses mostly by putting things out of storage rather than making new ones.
- Russia advanced near Svatove, Kreminna, and Avdiivka and in the Donetsk-Zaporizhia Oblast border area.
Edited by Risa123 on May 9th 2024 at 10:54:34 AM
“By”, not “but”. (It is also what the storage is for).
Edited by Smeagol17 on May 9th 2024 at 11:37:19 AM
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The point is that Russia does not produce enough weapons to replace the losses.
If you always could or wanted to, you wouldn't need reserves.
Question is how long they could go on reserves, and do they have the capacity to make more in the quantities they would need at the rate they would need them. ...Or are taking steps to have that capacity, I suppose.
Of course. (This primarily depends on how long and how intensely the war will last.)
Edited by Smeagol17 on May 9th 2024 at 2:55:24 PM
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Yeah, no shit.
Any relevant May 9th Victory Day announcement this year? Just wondering...
Oh, right. There were rumors Russians wanted some major victory, or claim some important city, for the celebration around this time.
I will become a great writer one day! Hopefully...
Ukrainians claimed there were plans to take Chasiv Yar by May 9. But those claims are probably mostly propaganda.
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Or, y'know, a "We're seeing increased troop movement in that area, might be a sign of an impending assault" statement.
Edited by Resileafs on May 9th 2024 at 9:54:48 AM
I mean the recuring Ukrainian claims that the Russian Army is ordered to take some city by some date (9 May, elections, etc...)
Edited by Smeagol17 on May 9th 2024 at 5:07:44 PM
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
Recurring where? What claims?
1) In Ukrainian statements.
2) “That the Russian Army is ordered to take some city by some date (9 May, elections, etc...)”
Edited by Smeagol17 on May 9th 2024 at 7:15:18 PM
It is a crying shame that Ukrainian propaganda sucks.
Or perhaps they are desperate to make sure that people notice that they are actually honest? A difficult position considering some of their past, that they are trying to walk away from
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"We think that Russia is going to try to make a big capture for their Victory Day celebration" is probably the most tame kind of propaganda I can think of.
Not disagreeing. Just don’t think it merits much attention.
Not making a distinction between honesty and dishonesty (also, not using “propaganda” purely pejoratively), I would say that Ukrainian propaganda (or, if you will, “information operations”) are pretty successful, at least in the West. But, I, myself don’t think propaganda (and “words” in general) are as important as most people in power seemingly think they are.
Edited by Smeagol17 on May 9th 2024 at 9:24:41 PM
- Question is how long they could go on reserves, and do they have the capacity to make more in the quantities they would need at the rate they would need them. ...Or are taking steps to have that capacity, I suppose.
It depends on what the material in question is. Russia hasvast store of small arms and has demonstrated it is still capable of producing them in the hundreds of thousands. On the other hand, stuff like the Tu-22m bomber are basically irreplaceable. They ones in storage have already been heavily cannibalized and there is no replacement program.
Ships over a certain size are irreplaceable for political reasons. Turkey won't allow new Russian warships into the Black Sea until the conflict is concluded.
https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1788460991300112569
Looks like some Russian troops on guard duty at the V Day parade have anti-drone rifles.
Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, May 9, 2024
- Russia accused Moldova of genocide.
- Russian border guards are withdrawing from Armenia.
- Ukraine attack Russian oil infrastructure.
- Russia advanced Near Adiivka and Donetsk City.
[1] There has been a Russian attack near Kharkiv.
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So for those who might not know, the strongest solar flare since 2005 has been detected and will hit Earth in the middle of the night in the Americas. A flare of this magnitude is predicted to cause a pretty major electromagnetic storm that could damage sattelites.
How much do we know the Ukrainian and Russian war material are protected against those storms? Any idea of how badly this could affect the frontlines?
Russians used an Iskander to take out a Patriot battery. Turns out that it's fake since it didn't explode.
For clarification, it was the target that turned out to be a dummy. The missile was, in fact, real.
https://new.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/1cnccum/this_is_what_the_control_process_of_a_russian/
The interior of the armored Russian "turtle" tank. Camera's mounted outside so that the driver can see.